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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-21-2016

Pen training day 3: drawing straight lines of uniform thickness

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And more vikings / pen practice:

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - StardustLarva - 04-21-2016

Great stuff Jon, I can already see some improvement in your lines from doing those exercises! Keep at it, man. That last Vikings piece is particularly good, I like the textures.


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-22-2016

Stardust Thanks dude! Texture is one of my most annoying weaknesses, so I'm glad my (long avoided) efforts are paying off!

Day 4 of pen training, thick -> thin / thin -> thick / ebb & flow lines. This is the first day I found difficult, my hand just isn't trained to going from hard - > light pressure. The other way around it feels ok. Might even redo this training tomorrow since I felt like I was getting it towards the end of the session.

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And a vase of flowers in the style of 'Roaul Dufy' from watercolour class (it looked better before I put the darks in, those drips going upwards were a mistake that I tried to make look on purpose by adding more - doesn't really work but my teacher says 'you'll learn more if you ruin your paintings')

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-23-2016

Day 5 of pen training; drawing evenly spaced sets of lines, then adding a second set of evenly spaced lines right next to it, so that the lines join and the join isn't visible. Partly successful, again felt like I was getting it by the end. (Decided to push ahead instead of repeated days I was weaker at else I'll never get through the whole 4 weeks. I will keep doing the ones I'm not so good at as short warm ups in the mornings before I ink).

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And more vikings + pen practice. Thanks to Jameswxu for giving me the tip about clamping the pages of my sketchbook so the page is pulled tight and I can paint with watercolour without the paper buckling!

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God damn those screwed up eyes and that wonky chin... I swear the day I can do justice to a beautiful woman is the day I'll be ready to accept death...


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - BrushNoir - 04-23-2016

Perhaps place a 2 dots that are in line with eachother and than draw the rest of the eyes around it, other than that you're doing good!


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-24-2016

Sketchosoph Thanks for your comment! I do really like the look you mention with really dense cross hatching and texture in the dark parts. I'll try that for sure in my next drawing! Needs a bit more planning I think, a little thumbnail to figure out where the values are but I think it will be worth it! Thanks again : )

Brushnoir You know, I think I had some kind of revelation moment after reading your comment. I always took the approach of either using spheres for eyeballs and wrapping lids over it or getting the eye shape down first - my success has always been hit and miss and I didn't feel much control over it. I never thought to try using two simple dots and building everything around them! Really feels like it could be just what I needed to start getting eyes right! Thanks so so much for sharing that ^_^b


Day 6 of pen training, circles and spirals made of short sections of line joined up to make a seamless shape. This one was really hard, yet another one I'll have to re-do many times before I get it.

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And finished off my comic from a few weeks ago. I don't like it anymore, just slapped on value in the last 4 frames so I can consider it 'done' and move onto the next one. I have written a nice little story, just planning out the pages, should be about 3 - 4 page long comic, a love story. I'll be spending my weekends on that til it's done.

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Looks nicer printed out, a lot of the little mistakes are taken away:

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-25-2016

Nothing listed for pen training today so just some mixed practice, week 2 starts tomorrow!

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And trying to find a good face for my next comic book, I really suck at this XD majority of them have dead eyes and when I get a good face down I can't replicate it :/ will keep trying!

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-26-2016

Pen training, week 2 day 1. Drawing straight lines with a ruler. Pretty straightforward and easy one, draw pencil underlines with a ruler then ink them on top with the ruler. Have to have the pen held right or the line skews off but it's an easy one. The side of the ruler gets covered with a thin coating of ink so you have to wipe it off else it'll go on your hands and get smeared on the page.

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Some inking practice over 2 min head sketches. It was pretty fun to have the loose head layin underneath then do the features from imagination.

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - IrishWhiskey - 04-26-2016

Looking good Jyonny! Thumbs_up

I can see by the 2-minute face practice your lines are becoming a lot more clean and confident so the pen training is working for sure.

If you go to pixelovely.com and go to practice tools you can do timed face studies that i found very useful.

Cool comics too btw.


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - John - 04-26-2016

Those water color pieces are looking good! Nice color choices!


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - Mechanizoid - 04-26-2016

Hey Johnny, thanks for dropping by my SB man! :) Looks like you are working hard here. Keep it up. But I have a question–why are you practicing drawing straight lines with a ruler? Seems like it would be easy to do that, though I haven't tried so I really don't know. LOL But you are aware that you can draw really really straight lines with no ruler as well? Feng Zhou explains it on his video about traditional materials. It's all about drawing from the shoulder and lots of practice. It's worth cultivating, it brings a great level of control to your lines!

Anyway, just curious, I haven't used straightedges as much because I'm still training my arm and staying more on the sketching side. I know people use rulers and ellipse templates to tighten things up, but I haven't played around with that yet.


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - Rshin - 04-26-2016

Hey Jon! I know I rarely go to daggers but when I do, I always make sure to check your SB. I am so proud of you. Youve been working so hard. I learn so much from your SB. I've been doing those line drills too but yours seems more hardcore. honestly, I admire your patience for it. It's rather difficult for me because I got really used to my sketchy lines - which is why I'm practicing lines too cause I want to correct myself. And wow! You're making a comic book? Are you posting it somewhere? Or are you going to publish one like print it out and sell it? Oh man, if yes, I'll definitely get a copy.

And oh man youre doing watercolour pieces now too!! I also love your GoT redesign! The studies you made for it, there's so much to learn. And I remember you asking me about tips for drawing hands, but look at your hand studies! I should be the one asking for tips haha :)) I'm just so amazed and proud all at the same time. I'm puking rainbows here. So much great stuff in your SB. I'll make sure to drop by again.


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-27-2016

Irish Whiskey Thanks man! Thanks for the encouragement! I know pixelovely, it's a great site ^^

John Thanks too! I'll be doing another of those flower vases in class this week, hopefully I can apply what I learned from my mistakes : )

Sagi Haha, yea it seems a bit strange practising lines with ruler, it's part of a training program from a book and that was the exercise that day. The lines at the top of this page are all freehand, so I practise that too. Cause it's a nib pen that you dip in ink, there is some skill element with the ruler, and learning how to avoid getting ink on the page and smearing it (like I did in today's one) is important. But it's still quite easy for someone who draws already. The point of it though, is to lead up to stuff like this, which is Saturday's exercise:


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which is possible freehand - I even saw some guys do it with a brush and keep all the lines tight - but it's super hard. So most of the manga guys use rulers for that kind of stuff. Thanks for commenting! hope you come back again : )

Rshin  Shin your comment really warms my heart! Such nice words thanks so much, you really made my day <3 The nib pen training has been soooo helpful, I would definitely recommend it - they also really really helped my digital drawing too since I think it's a similar thing, physically, with the sensitive pressure and needing to draw lines quite fast. I can post up the full set of exercises if you want to try it. As for my comics, I probably never mentioned to you, but that is my goal to be a comic artist, so right now I'm practising that stuff to learn a good process. I'm just doing short comics based on writing prompts from Scott Mcloud's "Making Comics". I'll post them all on here, might be a while til the next one's done. As for hands I started to find it much easier taking Glenn Vilppu's advice and going with a four fingered cartoon hand, makes it really fun and I can focus just on pose and making it look solid instead of worrying about all the joints and proportions and stuff. The plan is to build up to realistic hands when I get more consistent with them. Really thanks again so much, I feel totally buzzed to keep going after reading yours <3 <3

Today's pen training, parallel straight lines with a ruler (week 2 day 2)


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More inking practice over quick heads (5 min heads this time, makes for a much better result)

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-28-2016

week 2 day 3 pen training, right angles / corners / closing shapes cleanly

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Some anatomy / inking practice.

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - KurtJeremy - 04-28-2016

sup jyon! thanks for the thoughtful insights you gave on my sketchbook, they really do help for my motivation to keep on trucking. I'm gonna start thinking more clearly as to hone in finally to what gives me the most joy into doing this in the first place.

nice stuff with the inks btw. I have been doing the same lately with the drawabox stuff what I found out is that my lines get Indeed better when I do them daily what a surprise :D


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - Triggerpigking - 04-28-2016

Great inking practice dude, i'm assuming these exercises came from the drawbox site?, i've just started on the first assignments there and it seems to be a really well put together site so thanks for reccomending it :).


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 04-30-2016

Triggerpigking Thanks! They're from 'Pen and Ink: A manga startup guide', there are more exercises than drawabox but the benefits are pretty similar ^^

Day 9 and 10 pen training - swell & ebb with a ruler and using french curves

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And a crappy watercolour from class (flowers in the style of Roaul Dufy)

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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 05-03-2016

Kurt Forgot to reply to you last time! I'm glad those comments were useful, I look forward to seeing where you head : )

Had to break from my pen training for a few days to go attend to something in London (my capital city). Managed to visit the museum while there, the sculpture hall at the V&A museum is really great, it's really accomodating for people sketching in this long hall with benches down both sides to sit on and draw. Only managed one drawing in there since it was so busy I didn't get in til quite late.

Doodle on the bus:
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Random objects:
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From my hotel room:
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Bronze statue from 'The Wallace Collection Museum'
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Outside the V&A waiting for queue's to die down:
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'Theseus and the Minotaur' from an original Roman sculpture (so ancient!)
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Back to pen training from tomorrow!


RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 05-05-2016

Back with the pen training, week 3 of 4.

Yesterday (end of week 2) drawing speed and concentration lines
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Today (start of week 3) crosshatching
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RE: JyonnyNovice - from Novice to Master! - JyonnyNovice - 05-07-2016

Pen training day 13 rope hatching

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Day 14, cross hatching gradations

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And some practical application of this stuff (it's really fun):

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