Joseph's shiny new sketchbook

[darktiste]

Ah, but my friend this makes it too easy, except how do we know how wide or how tall to make the frame? There is no rectangle enclosing the real object in nature to compare with.

''There is no rectangle enclosing the real object in nature to compare with.'' 

That truth.But does it mean you can't make a frame no you can find the answers later in the post. Do you only draw live subject?That i can't tell.
That why i told you about the portable frame i am not exactly sure how the framing tool work specifically in drawing the human subject since i couldn't find any video where it us i just know how to use framing when drawing from a picture or a drawing.You can always bring a camera and take a picture that for sure unless you don't have one. The framing tool is good for plein air drawing since it seem to be what it most use for.It might not be that useful as a tool for your perticular practice.

A few page back i shown you that framing tool look like i am not really sure as to why you it seem you want to make thing more difficult for yourself then it might be necessary and that might be just a misconception i have but i suppose there a thinking behind it which might need to be express. I don't know you are more interest by a challenge or learning to draw in a competitive way using tool to get the edge over the competition. Do you think master didn't use any guide or grid or pre drawing? This couldn't be further from the truth i would argue.

What i might suggest instead of the framing tool is using what is refer as a The plumb line.It a piece of wire with a small fishing weight at the end which help create verticale and can also be use to check horizontal.

''If you only measure with the plumb line, your eye is learning anything.'' I can give you that.

The plumb line is a tool to check accuracy during drawing or to me more precise is a tool to get the highest degree of accuracy during client work because it the result that count not how you got it.You might always favor developping the eye over the tool which is probably why you refuse to use any tool in the first place.I understand that if you take pride in a skill that would mean your are doing this purely for yourself and it would hurt your perception of being good at estimation.

For your question on how do we measure the frame click the link below.

To check how it done
https://www.sightsize.com/the-only-cure-for-measuring/

Other visual measuring technic using a pencil as a visual measuring tool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33jWy6RTfVY

There no shame in using tool specially as working artist who have deadline and those who say otherwise are part of a strange school of thought no body will realize that you do all your visual measuring by eye so why prevent yourself from using it.Maybe it just a misconception that other don't use them because you don't see them work i am not exactly sure so i am certainly interest as to why ''it to easy is suppose to be bad''.Perhaps you want to be a kim jun gi kind of guy who perform before an audience and you want to waw them with how quick and accucrately you capture the subject you see in real life or from imagination i don't know and it only you who can reveal what you do the thing the way you do and think the way you do.

My idea behind sharing those technic is the fact you said something about capturing moving big line which sounded strange to me when you have way to accurately measure in the first place sure error in more likely to occur if you refuse the tool to correct yourself...
When will Measuring with the tool mistake can be made when breaking the rule on how to properly measure and hold the tool but i couldn't really tell what you meant by what you said ealier and this is why it was a something that made me write you further.It is of no use to be guessing yes at first you guess but than you use the tool and you are done or you can keep guessing until happy that up to you and it depend if deadline are present or not.

So i wanted to see what you know about visual measuring technic.To make sure you can reach whatever deadline you might have.Time isn't always a luxury we can afford sure guessing is the right approch in study and it key to being faster but being good at using tool doesn't necessarly mean you become a lesser artist. What matter the most way you reach the end or to reach the end? There is no rule only the result in art of course understanding the rule is necessary.But i think using tool is meant to bend the rule that my current position as far as it goes. Some people hate photobashing and speed paiting yet people making living doing that are they less sucessful or accomplish artist i don't think so they still understand the rule.Tool shouldn't become a burden to the artist. But i really kinda laugh at that thought when i think of that specially when i think about were math teacher who were like you won't always have a calculator in your pocket little did they know how much people now use phone with that option if you have a phone why take out a paper and start wasting time if you understand math?

If a compagny use a tool to speed up there workflow would you say no i don't think so? Anyways i talk but there alot of unasnwers question floating so it just to make you open up i suppose and break my misconception.

Have a nice day -Darktiste