27 Apr 07:55
--problem with many schools is trying too do too much with their curriculum so it ends up being too broad
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27 Apr 07:54
--and art center is too expensive. my parents support me but i would feel guilty doing it to that extent.
27 Apr 07:53
--FZD is just far too hard core. like people come out of there with permanently bloodshot eyes that wont go back because they had 4 hrs sleep a day
27 Apr 07:53
--but i know... its so hard to know anything for sure, 3d put me off 100% before but hte more i think of it, the more useful it sounds to have on the side
27 Apr 07:52
--I would do more research on the uni programme, the affiliation with epic, the graduating student's folios before committing to any 3 year program
27 Apr 07:50
--"You'll develop the technical and creative skills you need to become a games concept artist, 3D designer, 2D/3D games artist, character modeller, level designer or environmental artist." in 3 years....laughing my ass off right now
27 Apr 07:45
--its between that and gnomon 1 yr entertainment design in america, but im in uk atm so that will be a big shift. may be able to afford Art Center but its a bit of a stretch
27 Apr 07:44
--i was thinking about doing this, what do you guys think? https://www.staffs.ac.uk/course/09G62000.jsp
27 Apr 07:32
--Haha it's VERY lacking. All the big professionals are self taught; There is no degree in anything other than Fine Arts, and our fine arts program is usually regarded as a joke. Lots of brazilians looking for education oversea and online because of that. It's a country wide problem. I know there are some other brazilians here, they can speak about it too hehe
27 Apr 06:58
--@sula how good is art education in your place? mine i cant tell , but then again i dont expect them to great
27 Apr 02:19
--In the end, you learning is as active as the person teaching you; If you don't put time into it, you won't learn anyway.
27 Apr 02:14
--Nous I feel like you are idealizing ateliers and formal education, it's probably not as good or different as you think
27 Apr 02:10
--Yeah, I was talking about the general school system too :) we DO have good art education, but it's restricted to some few places not everyone has access too. Heck, I don't even have life drawing sessions with models where I live.
27 Apr 02:09
--Literally the only education I would pay for right now would be either a mentorship with Iain Mccaig, or Nathan Fowke's schoolism courses
27 Apr 02:08
--I was specifically talking about education until you are 18, so highschool and stuff. I'm not jealous of ateliers at all, and I've heard so much shit about how artcenter is nowadays that I wouldn't say it's worth it
27 Apr 01:57
--Only the ones I've listed below count. Unless you get into a bad ass company with decent peers where you can bounce off them and achieve targeted results while getting paid!
27 Apr 01:56
--The thing about those places is that they give you a forum for learning, good crtique and provide excellent motivation and group support.
27 Apr 01:54
--Ok you might complain about education which is justified in many case but what about those Atelier schools ( I'm jealous of anyone who goes there!) and Art center. Those ones are hard to beat.
27 Apr 01:50
--Plus, something that the art community is doing pretty well are critiques. That is our more developed, much more intensive version of homework, schools should learn something from that. Show your teacher what you know, and then they write down a list of all the stuff you don't know, then show them again in a couple weeks, I feel like thats more how the exam-homework relation should be
27 Apr 01:47
--Yeah is kinda of a snowball effect too, teachers don't teach new stuff because they don't know how to learn it... it's not always like that, but it's still sad
27 Apr 01:38
--It's not only artists or teachers that needs to keep the ball rolling - every single profession can benefit from that. But we get bad feelings from school, since people are never taught how to actually learn stuff - they stop it altogether as soon as they can. At least, this is what I have seen from experience
27 Apr 01:26
--Although I kinda changed the subject haha, but education bothers me a lot, I hope in the future I can contribute to a couple groups I know that are trying to change the education system
27 Apr 01:24
--+Teachers complain about the low rates (I get it), but given the ammount of shit professors I've had I kinda disagree. We have people who have been teaching for 40 years and still teaching what they learned in school when they were kids. I think teaching should be as active or even more than an artist's job. You don't just need to keep restudying the stuff you already know, but keep learning new stuff all the time, the world changes, don't teach me autocad if we have modo. Teacher's should be trying to up their game constantly, and then get paid what they deserve. That's just my opinion though
27 Apr 00:53
--It's funny, isn't it? :p People are always looking for the "making me better button". The problem with my school system: we study to pass tests, not to learn :( After the test, you may very well forget everything and be done with it
26 Apr 22:18
--You like a cartoon? you copy that cartoon, you like an artist, you copy that artist, after many studies you'll have your own style, it is really simple, but somewhere during formal education people forget how to learn
26 Apr 22:17
--You don't know how to draw a horse? you look at a horse, then draw again, your drawing sucks, look at more horses, copy the stuff that you did wrong to get it right next time, repeat, repeat, repeat
26 Apr 22:17
--People spend months even years to get to the conclusion that the correct way to learn to draw is the way a 5 year old would if no one told him anything