Shout Box archive

21 Mar 07:26

Gliger

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btw, people are too liberal with the term ''sexism''.

21 Mar 07:25

Ursula Dorada

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even valve, with it's holy standards, has to sex up characters in left 4 dead, you guys remember that?

21 Mar 07:25

Ursula Dorada

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yep, Just listen to interview - and how much stuff dont get approved and need to be remade to "suit the market"

21 Mar 07:24

Finnjamin

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I guess it's not a problem that completely undermines their intellect then.

21 Mar 07:24

Gliger

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Companies hire you for certain stuff, because that stuff sells, they are a business

21 Mar 07:23

Gliger

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99% of them don't create personal projects full of magical girls in lingerie

21 Mar 07:22

Gliger

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Have you seen what actually acomplished artists put out?

21 Mar 07:22

Jaik

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hey now, chain mail bikini's give much better protection that leather bikini's. Thats valid :P

21 Mar 07:22

Finnjamin

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But it's the artists that control what can be attractive

21 Mar 07:22

Gliger

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That's not what he said, what he was talking about is that idealized imagery sells, because it's atractive

21 Mar 07:21

Jaik

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Not really, I'm just saying that people use games and art to escape every day life.

21 Mar 07:21

Ursula Dorada

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hehe you're not the only one Finn. But we are, unfortunately, not the one ordering the art. So we have little say on the matter; we are payed to please the client. And the client want chainmail bikinis

21 Mar 07:21

Finnjamin

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Not in such inflammatory terms, sure, but that inference was totally there

21 Mar 07:21

Gliger

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We didn't get into design stagnation at all, we could talk months about it

21 Mar 07:21

Finnjamin

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Me? Jaik was just saying that fat ugly people all must hate themselves

21 Mar 07:20

Gliger

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Woah, easy there

21 Mar 07:20

Finnjamin

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Why am I the only one here who wants to fight sexism and design stagnation?

21 Mar 07:18

Gliger

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Illustration is just a part of the advertising industry

21 Mar 07:18

Jaik

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so? its called escapism, if you are fat and ugly, who wants to play a game as a fat and ugly guy?

21 Mar 07:18

Gliger

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Ads perpetuated it, clothes perpetuated it

21 Mar 07:17

Finnjamin

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No, but we perpetuate it

21 Mar 07:17

Jaik

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People whinge too much about sexism in the industry. Its not just our industry. The illustration and concept design industry didn't coin the term 'sex sells'

21 Mar 07:16

crackedskull

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Someone should make a muscly barbarian dynamic pose that shows ass and pecs

21 Mar 07:16

Finnjamin

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You can excuse people for creating sexist icons and imagery on the grounds that the other gender is equally hamstrung.

21 Mar 07:16

Finnjamin

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That's also sexism.

21 Mar 07:15

Gliger

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I wouldn't call it sexism really since this industry's bread and butter are shirtless muscular male barbarians

21 Mar 07:15

Gliger

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They just happen to get paid for something, and they work hard enough on it to be a portfolio piece

21 Mar 07:14

Gliger

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What I mean is that the artists don't necessarily do them because that's what they like to do

21 Mar 07:11

Finnjamin

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I'd also say Theo Prins, but since he's started putting out "sketches" to massive acclaim I kind of despise him.

21 Mar 07:09

Finnjamin

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I also wish that as artists we weren't expected to replicate the same facial features and design tropes to get work. We need to see more stories like Tom Scholes.

21 Mar 07:07

Finnjamin

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It doesn't excuse the sexism if you're paid for it.

21 Mar 06:19

Gliger

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Most of them are comissions