Shout Box archive

05 Jul 13:00

Amit Dutta

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It's a dangerous trap, if you don't realise it :)

05 Jul 12:59

Amit Dutta

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Look at felipe's struggle, he's really good at copying stuff, but feels totally lost when it comes to application because he hasn't built analysis into that process.

05 Jul 12:57

Amit Dutta

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Yup. I think copying just becomes inefficient if done alone with no analysis. Nothing says you can't do both at the same time, so in my view, it makes sense to always combine the two

05 Jul 12:56

John

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Just saying. Don't discount copying.

05 Jul 12:56

John

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Yup! I agree. Doing one thing and neglecting other practices does that to anyone.

05 Jul 12:53

Amit Dutta

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copying for the sake of copying gets you only so far, if you don't build analysis into the process

05 Jul 12:51

John

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I'm an advocate of copying. It's getting your observation skills and accuracy polished as opposed to learning. Copying is not a terrible practice. You're just working on a different set of skills as opposed to studying.

05 Jul 10:13

Mechanizoid

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Yeah, just copying doesn't seem to help much unless you understand what that master artist was doing when he/she first made the painting.

05 Jul 10:09

Lapatschka

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Yeah, thats exactly what "happened" to me - I copied, but learned nothing.

05 Jul 10:09

Mechanizoid

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That's what Anthony Jones says at least: https://youtu.be/8kfK46nruKM

05 Jul 10:08

Mechanizoid

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A lot of "master studies" out there are really "master copies".

05 Jul 10:08

Mechanizoid

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I haven't done much master studying yet, but I've heard that it is actually better to break things down and study one aspect of a master painting than to copy the whole thing.

05 Jul 10:04

Lapatschka

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Yeah, def. I used to do master studies but realized I didnt learn anything from "studying" them - so I need find another approach

05 Jul 10:03

Mechanizoid

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Draw a Box is awesome, I think it is the best free online course available today.

05 Jul 10:02

Mechanizoid

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I don't think there is one "right" way to learn, though. ;D Lots of different approaches, its what works for you!

05 Jul 10:02

Lapatschka

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Oh, thats interesting :D Thanks for the link!

05 Jul 10:02

Mechanizoid

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http://drawabox.com/

05 Jul 10:01

Mechanizoid

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It's based on the "Dynamic Sketching" lessons Peter Han teaches at CGMA

05 Jul 10:01

Mechanizoid

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That's funny, the lessons I'm follow have me start with textures as one of the basics, before values or colors or anything.

05 Jul 09:56

Lapatschka

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Yeah, texture is something I havent even "tried" yet. I first need to understand values.. then colors.. perspective and anatomy. So much to learn. :D

05 Jul 09:51

Mechanizoid

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But I think that barrier is beginning to give way a bit.

05 Jul 09:51

Mechanizoid

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One area I struggled with quite a lot is textures. It's hard to understand how they work and capture them in pen.

05 Jul 09:51

Lapatschka

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Yeah, If I think about my failures too much, I wont progress at all.. so I can use that time for learning instead.

05 Jul 09:50

Lapatschka

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You're welcome, nothing to be thankful for.

05 Jul 09:50

Mechanizoid

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And yes, it's one of those things you just can't sit there and contemplate, it's like the Medusa. :D

05 Jul 09:49

Mechanizoid

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Thanks, that gives me more confidence! I do seem to take to perspective and stuff quite quickly.

05 Jul 09:49

Lapatschka

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Oh my godness, if I would think about that gap, I would stop drawing immediately :D

05 Jul 09:49

Lapatschka

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I dont see anything bad in there - you're making progress quite fast and you seem to have a very good eye for the technical side of things/perspective

05 Jul 09:48

Mechanizoid

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I'm learning to turn that around in my head though, and see the improvement I'm making rather than just the gap between my skill level now and where I want it to be.

05 Jul 09:47

Mechanizoid

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Really? Thanks, I often feel like my stuff is pretty bad. ;u; That's the goal, though, gotta keep pushing!

05 Jul 09:42

Lapatschka

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Your SB is really inspiring, srsly. If you keep pushing, you'll be one of the pro's one day for sure. Thanks, I will!

05 Jul 09:39

Mechanizoid

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Yes, we are all working to improve our craft here together! :-) BTW, check out the "Crimson Crucible", Amit and Piotr hold monthly challenges. I wanna try it myself sometime!