Shout Box archive

05 Jul 12:56

John

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Just saying. Don't discount copying.

05 Jul 12:56

John

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Yup! I agree. Doing one thing and neglecting other practices does that to anyone.

05 Jul 12:53

Amit Dutta

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copying for the sake of copying gets you only so far, if you don't build analysis into the process

05 Jul 12:51

John

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I'm an advocate of copying. It's getting your observation skills and accuracy polished as opposed to learning. Copying is not a terrible practice. You're just working on a different set of skills as opposed to studying.

05 Jul 10:13

Mechanizoid

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Yeah, just copying doesn't seem to help much unless you understand what that master artist was doing when he/she first made the painting.

05 Jul 10:09

Lapatschka

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Yeah, thats exactly what "happened" to me - I copied, but learned nothing.

05 Jul 10:09

Mechanizoid

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That's what Anthony Jones says at least: https://youtu.be/8kfK46nruKM

05 Jul 10:08

Mechanizoid

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A lot of "master studies" out there are really "master copies".

05 Jul 10:08

Mechanizoid

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I haven't done much master studying yet, but I've heard that it is actually better to break things down and study one aspect of a master painting than to copy the whole thing.

05 Jul 10:04

Lapatschka

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Yeah, def. I used to do master studies but realized I didnt learn anything from "studying" them - so I need find another approach

05 Jul 10:03

Mechanizoid

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Draw a Box is awesome, I think it is the best free online course available today.

05 Jul 10:02

Mechanizoid

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I don't think there is one "right" way to learn, though. ;D Lots of different approaches, its what works for you!

05 Jul 10:02

Lapatschka

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Oh, thats interesting :D Thanks for the link!

05 Jul 10:02

Mechanizoid

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http://drawabox.com/

05 Jul 10:01

Mechanizoid

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It's based on the "Dynamic Sketching" lessons Peter Han teaches at CGMA

05 Jul 10:01

Mechanizoid

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That's funny, the lessons I'm follow have me start with textures as one of the basics, before values or colors or anything.

05 Jul 09:56

Lapatschka

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Yeah, texture is something I havent even "tried" yet. I first need to understand values.. then colors.. perspective and anatomy. So much to learn. :D

05 Jul 09:51

Mechanizoid

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But I think that barrier is beginning to give way a bit.

05 Jul 09:51

Mechanizoid

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One area I struggled with quite a lot is textures. It's hard to understand how they work and capture them in pen.

05 Jul 09:51

Lapatschka

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Yeah, If I think about my failures too much, I wont progress at all.. so I can use that time for learning instead.

05 Jul 09:50

Lapatschka

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You're welcome, nothing to be thankful for.

05 Jul 09:50

Mechanizoid

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And yes, it's one of those things you just can't sit there and contemplate, it's like the Medusa. :D

05 Jul 09:49

Mechanizoid

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Thanks, that gives me more confidence! I do seem to take to perspective and stuff quite quickly.

05 Jul 09:49

Lapatschka

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Oh my godness, if I would think about that gap, I would stop drawing immediately :D

05 Jul 09:49

Lapatschka

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I dont see anything bad in there - you're making progress quite fast and you seem to have a very good eye for the technical side of things/perspective

05 Jul 09:48

Mechanizoid

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I'm learning to turn that around in my head though, and see the improvement I'm making rather than just the gap between my skill level now and where I want it to be.

05 Jul 09:47

Mechanizoid

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Really? Thanks, I often feel like my stuff is pretty bad. ;u; That's the goal, though, gotta keep pushing!

05 Jul 09:42

Lapatschka

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Your SB is really inspiring, srsly. If you keep pushing, you'll be one of the pro's one day for sure. Thanks, I will!

05 Jul 09:39

Mechanizoid

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Yes, we are all working to improve our craft here together! :-) BTW, check out the "Crimson Crucible", Amit and Piotr hold monthly challenges. I wanna try it myself sometime!

05 Jul 09:38

Lapatschka

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I will, thanks for the link! :) Glad to have found the forum, seems to be a nice, learning-"friendly" atmosphere here

05 Jul 09:36

Mechanizoid

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And I'm definitely not one of the pros yet, LOL, here, you can check out my SB if you'd like– http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-7118.html

05 Jul 09:35

Mechanizoid

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@Lapatschka Yes, you are right, it's a good feeling to be having! Took me a long time to realize that though. :-)