Shout Box archive

02 Jul 05:53

John

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Thanks Loader! But the story was confusing yeah?

02 Jul 05:47

Artloader

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By the way John - meant to say - I loved the clean line work on your CC4 comic - nicely done mate.

02 Jul 05:12

John

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Cool cool cool. Just when I'm running out of things to listen to.

02 Jul 05:11

Brian Hermelijn

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@Artloader Possibly, not sure.

02 Jul 05:11

Brian Hermelijn

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https://vimeo.com/139094998 (Everything is a Remix) yeah it's exactly what you described @John

02 Jul 05:10

Artloader

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Being able to remix in the first place is an achievement in itself though?

02 Jul 05:09

Brian Hermelijn

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Ah. I think there was a ted talk about this... "Everything is a remix"

02 Jul 05:08

John

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Btw, not 100% sure if he learned the guitar or learned how to make songs.. Haha!

02 Jul 05:07

John

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@Hermi: Hey man, Dave Grohl learned how to play guitar with Beatles song sheets before he made it to whatever Foo Fighters are today. There's an underlying Beatles structure to his songs, but his songs doesn't sound like the Beatles. That's how I kinda interpreted what Robert Henri said.

02 Jul 05:04

Amit Dutta

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The basics are the basics...there may be different methods to learn them but you are essentially training yourself in the syntax of the language. After that you can write your own mad haikus

02 Jul 05:03

Artloader

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Yeah I guess it depends on what stage of the journey we're on.

02 Jul 05:02

Amit Dutta

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Learning fundamentals early on for sure

02 Jul 04:59

Artloader

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But studying the old masters helps you grow faster than experimenting by yourself?

02 Jul 04:55

Amit Dutta

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You MUST experiment with new things if you want to grow

02 Jul 04:53

Amit Dutta

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I was told by Cliff Nielsen to "get clients to pay you to experiment" I tried that, and failed horribly the first time because I did it naievely. Depending on deadlines I do it way more subtly constantly, but if I have long deadlines, free reign, I go nuts. The reality often is that when you are working, sometimes you don't have enough time to experiment on your own personal stuff (burnout etc). But yeah, being able to have a go-to workflow is incredibly useful.

02 Jul 04:51

Artloader

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For me I guess I'm at the stage where I have to learn the rules before I can break them.

02 Jul 04:49

Adam Lina

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not sure if thats what you were talking about

02 Jul 04:48

Adam Lina

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craig mullins in one of his videos talked about working professionally requires you develop a reliable work flow. that means you cant afford to experiment when youre under a deadline. Experimenting is how you develop a better work flow though. so its a trade off.

02 Jul 04:46

Brian Hermelijn

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Again I am just sharing a thought that popped up when I read the article of muzz, just want to read your insights on this. Can we at some point become to tied to old ways, and not allowing our self to express a subject differently?

02 Jul 04:45

Brian Hermelijn

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"Know what the old masters did. Know how they composed their pictures, but do not fall into the conventions they established."

02 Jul 04:45

Brian Hermelijn

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just recently started putting myself to read "The Art Spirit" book by Robert Henri, and on pg.12 he spoke about:

02 Jul 04:44

Brian Hermelijn

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I am by no means a working artist, but I just read a little bit of muzz article on his blog, and what got me thinking is, I wonder if sometimes we get too trapped into old conventions and not allowing our self to do things differently.

02 Jul 03:03

Amit Dutta

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cya guys...sorry dropped out...actually working :)

02 Jul 02:49

Artloader

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Night night Mech!

02 Jul 02:49

Mechanizoid

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Anyway, I'm off to bed, bye Amit and Artloader!

02 Jul 02:45

Mechanizoid

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Scott, on the other hand, drew everything freehand, and I just went and did what he showed me. :-) Also, sexy cars and spaceships!

02 Jul 02:44

Mechanizoid

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BUT I was thrown off when he said to get a T-square and triangle. Got both. Hardly ever use the T-square and only use the triangle as a straight-edge sometimes.

02 Jul 02:43

Mechanizoid

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I have that one, it's awesome. Has a lot of the same techniques as Scott shows.

02 Jul 02:43

Amit Dutta

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Nice, I haven't seen it. I think Successful Drawing is the Loomis one that delves into perspective quite a bit

02 Jul 02:42

Mechanizoid

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If you don't have a library card yet, get one.

02 Jul 02:42

Mechanizoid

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The local library is great for getting books. I payed not a cent for Chelsea and many other books.

02 Jul 02:41

Mechanizoid

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It applies to everyone, not just comic book artists, and is insanely thorough. And since it is all in comic form, it lends itself to explaining perspective. :-)