27 Jun 18:16
--Amit, if you keep getting the same feedback over and over again, that's probably a sign that you are navigating the same problem space constantly. The idea that those pros don't have useful feedback past what you know is a bit short sighted imo.
27 Jun 13:07
--Although time to head off, and do afternoon practice. Talk to you guys next time
27 Jun 12:57
--For the construction stuff, that originally started on shoutbox, which eventually made Muzz to make a thread about accuracy/constructing etc. (Well told him to, since I was interested in learning more about it)
27 Jun 12:54
--Which is why I said, some critiques are vague while others are more pinpointed @Muzz critiques, Yours and I think there was another person. And those are which I think peoples who give critiques should learn from, not a vague crtique, rather something that's understandable, relatable and actionable.
27 Jun 12:53
--Didn't you change your entire approach from feedback about construction in your sketchbook? Anyway whatever works for you. My way is generally not a good way that I would recommend. It just is the way it is working for me
27 Jun 12:45
--Which leaves to plan C ) Make a compilation everything done for a specific subject, and let others critique on what has changed (unless you already noticed things that can be worked on like proportions, compositions etc. or D ) Sharing the process you have used to get the results.
27 Jun 12:44
--Yeah. But it same feeling I had. Of course I am still learning to see errors. But what I have found is critiques in sketchbook I have less % of following them since most of them are either A) Obvious or vague(follow x book) B) Have no idea what to do with the chuck full of insights given.
27 Jun 12:40
--@hermi, I'm not trying to convince anyone my way is good. It is a very non standard approach, and not one I'd usually recommend for anyone. I've just mostly had this thing with crit, in the last couple of years. Even got some senior guys at weta to crit my work a month ago, and it was excruciatingly boring, they told me nothing I didn't know. I wish it wasn't that way, because I wouldn't feel disappointed and underwhelmed by a process most people tout as the best thing ever for their art lol
27 Jun 12:35
--I started giving critique to people so much early on in my learning even when I knew little, and maintained it so consistently over time that perhaps I've just become very good at picking the technical flaws in my own work objectively. The occasional crit I have received has opened my eyes to something i didn't know, but only a handful of times. Compared to the amount of time spent posting shit...yeah not worth it from thetime spent pov. In terms of documenting my work progress....I just don't give a crap. I don't need to prove to anyone I'm improving, least of all myself, if I do the work honestly.
27 Jun 12:34
--That makes sense to why I always felt a disconnection from most feedback in sketchbook, vs ones on process etc. Since its all in the process. I will probably just switch to that kind of format. Sharing the process.
27 Jun 12:27
--@muzz, I don't mean that feedback isn't useful or hasn't helped me in the past. For the most part though, personally, I have very very rarely got feedback I didn't already know was an issue. Sounds arrogant, but it's the truth. People tell me what I already know all the time, and in that respect I find sketchbook posting of my studies etc worthless. That's what the study was for in the first place...to learn to address my mistakes. I don't need, someone else to say the same thing again :) I always appreciate every crit I get every time, but rarely is it that useful for me.. Crits on individual pieces during the wip stage I find absolutely invaluable still.
27 Jun 12:27
--Hopefully that didn't sound offensive. I do want to read Amit's thoughts, since that's originally why the topic started in the first place. And I agree with you Piotr, on keeping sketchbooks semi-active.
27 Jun 12:25
--Hmm. If you're doing just a quick sketch what's the point of showing them, if you, yourself is not doing any kind of correction when you're done with it? Like you notice the flaws, but you just post it anyway, without correcting them? *Scratches head*
27 Jun 08:27
--When I started doing sketchaday I actually understood that (at least for me) they keep me motivated and showing them is also part of the process because feedback makes it all a lot more worth it even if it's something saying "you're doing it wrong"... even that helps!
27 Jun 08:25
--I honestly thought (until recently) that sketches should be done privately and only amazing finished works should actually be shown... But like @OtherMuzz I stagnated for a few months.
27 Jun 08:23
--Hey guys! I hope it's ok to leave my opinion too, I couldn't help but to read what you guys were talking about. I agree it's definitely subjective, every artist has his/her own process and to some sketches are meaningless, but to others they're important.
27 Jun 08:01
--That's a good point. I think feedback is the most essential part of improving ones work especially for those who started recently. All pros and cons considered keeping a sketchook at least semi-active is better.
27 Jun 03:55
--I guess my point is that by keeping it to yourself is that you forgo the entire point of being on a forum for self improvement. You post the sketches so that the process is documented, and problems can be debugged from an outside perspective. Also making studies that you aren't happy enough to want to show probably isn't pushing you enough to improve. I got trapped with not posting anything for ages and i just stagnated. Personally
27 Jun 03:22
--In my opinion it's entirely subjective matter. For one person a sketchbook is a mean to keep oneself motivated and keep the track of the improvement, for other it's a waste of time to save the sketches, crop them and upload on the forum. Personally i'm somewhere in between, i'd like to post my studies and sketches but recently i don't even save most of that, and uploading that stuff is troublesome for my lazy self as it take 5 minutes i could spent reading manga.
27 Jun 03:18
--I'll google "Rene drawing" etc. but I'm not sure if I'll be able to find who you are talking about unless he's famous and I somehow missed him...
27 Jun 03:18
--I really like that skull study timelapse, Hermi, where did it come from? I'd love to check out the rest of this guy's work!
27 Jun 03:13
--Something near the line like this, http://poli.oppono.de/skullb.png or http://poli.oppono.de/gouache_1.jpg from Rene.
27 Jun 03:13
--So when you start creating time lapse of each stage your artwork were in, you're more likely to see where things went differently.
27 Jun 03:11
--for where they can add or change to make the process more precise. Like Rene for example, he used to do it in the past I am not sure if he still does, he posts his works from concept>sketch>detailed>finished if that make sense?
27 Jun 03:10
--I think instead of just sharing a study, sharing the process the person has used, can more likely give someone a better pinpoint
27 Jun 03:05
--I am curious to@Muzz, because when Amit wrote that, it got me thinking, why most us only create sketchbooks only to post studies after studies in there?
