29 May 14:49

Amit Dutta

The thing I think is relevant also since we are talking about learning, is it almost doesn't matter what advice someone reads...until they actually internalise it with the same realisation through doing/failing themselves. I applaud Muzz for his passion on wanting to jumpstart people's understanding, but it just won't happen until the person (not talking about anyone specifically) makes their own realisation. We read and even understand but don't apply good advice repeatedly on a daily basis.

29 May 14:33

devinn

Cmon muzz speed this shit up.

29 May 14:33

devinn

Yeah, but you care in such an uncanny way, I can't help but believe that you actually DONT CARE. Not about the individual at least. So im gonna go ahead and begrudge you for "caring" Hurry up and talk shit about sycra so we can go on with our lives.

29 May 14:25

OtherMuzz

Bad art advice ruins careers. If you don't want to think about it, great, don't begrudge those that actually care.

29 May 14:21

devinn

Who even gives a fuck. Just draw. Seriously. If anybody needs help, I'm sure they will ask.

29 May 14:06

OtherMuzz

Also... just another thing, try and draw robots, they don't have the same weird cognitive issues that drawing humans seem to have. it's way easier to draw them in perspective.

29 May 14:01

OtherMuzz

This whole thing is bigger than just a few specific artists, there needs to be a cultural awareness for what methods do and don't get results, otherwise this whole forum thing is a bit of a waste.

29 May 14:00

OtherMuzz

Thing is dude i understand exactly why you are doing it. The problem is you read bad advice, and followed it.

29 May 14:00

Brian Hermelijn

But to a beginners eye, it may still be unclear due of its rigidness until they fail, and someone point out what the person was doing wrong (like you did in the thread) and how to correct it.

29 May 13:59

Brian Hermelijn

What I meant is you have to put yourself in the shoes of the beginner, and understand why the person was practicing said ways and not the way you said. In my case, I focused solely on the rhythm/gesture, because that's where my interests was throughout the years. It's not until recently, I wanted to learn more about actually developing/drawing accurate figures, which I will commence next month. That's what I meant. Your point is clear.

29 May 13:56

OtherMuzz

Hermi, you didn't manage to understand a single thing i said. Well done.

29 May 09:32

Leonard

ahh ok i see thanks :)

29 May 09:27

BrushNoir

@Leonard http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=...ln=11.5-12

29 May 08:54

Leonard

in germany it will be at 13:30 right?

29 May 07:44

Lodratio

thanks for the crit muzz

29 May 07:10

Piotr Jasielski

CC stream tomorrow 11:30 gmt+1

29 May 06:55

OtherMuzz

night bros/gals

29 May 06:55

OtherMuzz

pretty late at night so did a pretty rough job

29 May 06:55

OtherMuzz

Lod no idea if that helps or not.

29 May 06:41

username

i'm a special snowflake

29 May 06:40

username

I'm not flawed

29 May 05:51

John

Lie in the sweet embrace of procrastination!

29 May 05:51

John

@Hermi Noo! Hermi don't leave!

29 May 05:51

OtherMuzz

I agree with that quote, sure

29 May 05:51

Lodratio

Have fun hermi. I think I'm going to do that as well.

29 May 05:50

Lodratio

@John Don't worry man. Yeah, our positions are pretty similar, but even small differences can be important sometimes.

29 May 05:50

Brian Hermelijn

Alright, this topic is too dang interesting that I am not getting things done... so yeah. Gonna bail out for now.

29 May 05:49

Brian Hermelijn

- Robert Henri

29 May 05:48

Brian Hermelijn

"Know what the old masters did. Know how they composed their pictures, but do not fall into the conventions they established. These conventions were right for them, and they are wonderful. They made their language. You make yours. They can help you. All the past can help you. "

29 May 05:48

OtherMuzz

the... art spirit book,,,?

29 May 05:48

Brian Hermelijn

Although there is one interesting quote I want to share from The Art Spirit Book.

29 May 05:47

John

Oh btw Lod, I'm not piling against you. The discussion here read like you both are just talking in synonyms yet you guys seem to not agree with each other haha!