29 May 05:50
--@John Don't worry man. Yeah, our positions are pretty similar, but even small differences can be important sometimes.
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29 May 05:50
--Alright, this topic is too dang interesting that I am not getting things done... so yeah. Gonna bail out for now.
29 May 05:48
--"Know what the old masters did. Know how they composed their pictures, but do not fall into the conventions they established. These conventions were right for them, and they are wonderful. They made their language. You make yours. They can help you. All the past can help you. "
29 May 05:48
--Although there is one interesting quote I want to share from The Art Spirit Book.
29 May 05:47
--Oh btw Lod, I'm not piling against you. The discussion here read like you both are just talking in synonyms yet you guys seem to not agree with each other haha!
29 May 05:37
--I'm basing this off studies of music and language, where this is precisely what happens. Musicians are actually better at listening to music than normal people, which is why they seem so pretentious.
29 May 05:35
--here is a funny thing about the brain that has studies to back it up. The same parts that you use for input, you use for output to. Literally the same part of the brain you use to break down form is the same part you use to draw it. So literally learning form is half seeing and half doing.
29 May 05:35
--Well, Muzzy did say light and perspective go hand in hand. I don't think there's an argument! Sounds like you both agree haha!
29 May 05:33
--Breaking down shapes into geometrics is just part of the fundamental of form.
29 May 05:32
--it's many concepts that are dependant on eachother, which is why you need to work on a few in parallel to be able to grasp them. That was my main line of argument anyway.
29 May 05:31
--of course you can simplify. I'm using complex shapes as an example to argue against the point that people don't try hard enough to think in perspective. It's more that the shapes can't be broken down unless they know what kind of shapes they are, and on the other hand you need to break shapes down in order to understand them. That's what I meant with there not being any first principle.
29 May 05:28
--But I get that when it comes to organic stuff, there are times you can just wing it and still make it look believable!
29 May 05:27
--I'm doing a quick redraw of some of your characters, see if i can make this a bit more clear.
29 May 05:26
--@Lod I dunno about that. I still look at a complex shape as a variation of a box, cylinder, pyramid, or other simple shapes..
29 May 05:26
--Well that's because you can't draw in perspective yet. Not because it's impossible.
29 May 05:24
--Sure thing. That, plus our ability to observe and tell differences between the way something works, and our simulation of it. But even then, that kind of understanding isn't absolute. take perspective for example. After you understand the basics it's relatively intuitive to think about a cube in perspective, but the moment you attempt to think about the perspective of a complex shape all that goes out the window.
29 May 05:22
--When artists are being self taught, the only tool we have in our box is either dumb luck, or self awareness for our mental biases, and the only way to impart that self awareness is by talking about our mental processes.
29 May 05:19
--it's a mental block you have to overcome, more than an unwillingness to work on it.
29 May 05:19
--I don't think that's fair. In a lot of cases people just don't realize that they're not thinking threedimensionally.
29 May 05:17
--I keep saying it because very few people actually take this advice to heart. and sit down. and do the work.
29 May 05:16
--yeah, and i'm not singling you out with this btw, everyone including my own is flawed, but there is a pretty direct correlation with how important you think form and perspective are with how close to god teir you are.
29 May 05:15
--Ahh. Michael Hampton. I'd ask him, how does it feel like to be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame?
29 May 05:14
--hhhm. I'm not sure. Reevaluating your methods is part of the learning process of course, but I don't see the need to make some kind of drastic change unless I run into barriers that I can't cross with my current mindset. If or when those come up, I can't say.
29 May 05:13
--Lod, let me ask you this. Do you believe that your current mental model on how to improve is robust enough to take you all the way to being a god tier artist?
29 May 05:12
--as I said in the fundamentals thread, if you want to give me crit you can do it in my cc thread. It'll be burried when the next challenge comes anyway. I'm not prideful.