Shout Box archive

22 May 03:45

Lodratio

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yes, but that's just as true for construction

22 May 03:44

Brian Hermelijn

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Are you talking specifically breaking things down, as you're copying the subject?

22 May 03:44

OtherMuzz

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and as you keep going, you push that stuff into the subconsious

22 May 03:44

OtherMuzz

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or maybe i just badly communicated, but basically when you are copying the point is that you are doing it all on the logical side to begin with

22 May 03:44

Brian Hermelijn

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Yeah that's the understanding I also have, what lodratio explained.

22 May 03:43

OtherMuzz

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ah yeah you didn't understand me then.

22 May 03:43

Lodratio

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I've had epihanies from just doing things from reference. Things like exactly what level of sharpness an edge needs to have to make a form read, how different values need to intersect, compositional stuff, relationships between lines, points and shapes, etc. Copying isn't some kind of mindless subconscious thing.

22 May 03:42

OtherMuzz

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I'm trying to get better at communicating this stuff, because it is really fucking difficult to communicate.

22 May 03:42

Hobitt

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Hey john i dont see your CC entry !

22 May 03:41

OtherMuzz

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But lodratio, what out of what i said sounds like pseudo science?

22 May 03:40

OtherMuzz

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but regardless it was just an analogy

22 May 03:40

Jun

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I think if you try to LEARN the language, you might have a hard time, if you learn the concepts, programming is easy

22 May 03:40

OtherMuzz

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It's not about difficulty... it's about c being low level as in you write operating systems, and java you use to write your grandmas website

22 May 03:40

John

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Hi Hob!

22 May 03:39

John

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... that horribly bombed.. :(

22 May 03:39

Brian Hermelijn

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Hello Hobitt.

22 May 03:39

Jun

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You lack class

22 May 03:39

Hobitt

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sup daggers

22 May 03:39

John

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Oh.. Haha! I C. (Little programming joke!)

22 May 03:39

Jun

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I didn't find C hard, and I was 13 at that time and self learned

22 May 03:39

OtherMuzz

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no c is balls to the wall hard

22 May 03:38

Lodratio

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Imma be honest with you, that sounds like pseudoscience to me.

22 May 03:38

OtherMuzz

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So for example, lets say you want to draw a box, you use your high level knowledge to plan it, and your subconcious to let you know that you fucked it up.

22 May 03:38

John

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Err... C is easier to learn than javascript?

22 May 03:38

Jun

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Ah, I see

22 May 03:38

OtherMuzz

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Using programming terms here. C is low level, javascript is high level

22 May 03:38

Brian Hermelijn

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Yeah what kind of high level we're speaking of here?

22 May 03:37

Jun

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What kind of "high level" are we talking about?

22 May 03:37

OtherMuzz

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The reason why you don't get as many epiphanies from copying is that it is training the subconcious, epiphanies are high level logic.

22 May 03:36

OtherMuzz

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You need to do BOTH, and you use both skills at all times. Construction is high level problem solving, and accuracy is training your sub concious to take over tasks from your logical brain

22 May 03:36

Lodratio

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Fair enough, that kind of copying has its merits. You can only use copying to get relationships right if you already have a feel for perspective and construction though.

22 May 03:35

OtherMuzz

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it's not either guys. It's not either accuracy or construction