22 May 03:34
--@Lodratio I dunno, there's copying for the sake of copying. And there's copying so you can measure things accurately. Copying so you can observe how the relationship of light and shadow is like. There's a lot to learn in 'copying'.
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22 May 03:34
--Imo the big gamechanger when it comes to learning to see is learning to construct and think in perspective. The reason copying gets good results isn't because the people in ateliers know what they're doing, but because they follow strict rules that eliminate a lot of the problems they have.
22 May 03:34
--i have most my epiphanies when doing quick sketches from the mind as opposed to 15 hr master copies
22 May 03:33
--Let me put it this way. Ateliers and industrial design classes are the only two types of drawing class that can get consistently good results. Both stress extreme accuracy and technicality
22 May 03:32
--I agree 100% that the big first leap in terms of understanding that any beginner needs to take before they can make any real progress is learning to see. I'm not sure if copying is really the best way to learn that though. It gets you results that look right, sure, but you don't really understand what you're doing.
22 May 03:31
--personally i think sycra's video on improvement is a blight on the art world and holds back anyone that tries and follows it
22 May 03:31
--everything is warped, and out of perspective, with bad measurement, and because it's part of your perception, you can't see the mistakes. You learn accuracy to unwarp that distortion filter, and remove natural bias
22 May 03:30
--yea i just think everytime you are doing a digi painting and you erase or move something to make it look better you are learning
22 May 03:30
--Im a bit late to this convo, but the point of accurately copying is not to learn how to copy, the main reason is that as a beginner your perception is fucked
22 May 03:29
--I think it's how a lot of people got really really good like Jace wallace, even though he only seems to draw naked ladies they look perfect
22 May 03:28
--And @John I do use references by the way. Eventually depending what direction you're aiming for, you will find using one of the other more or combining the two.
22 May 03:25
--Fedo that's the process I also use, something I adopt by watching how Walent does his way of drawing.
22 May 03:24
--I'm talking something like a medium-length comic, or a bunch of illustrations that are suppsoed to all work wel ltogether
22 May 03:24
--CC aint a 'project'-project. It's a single illustration. It's not big enough that any of those problems could occur
22 May 03:24
--sycra has a vid called iterative drawing which he (and i) believe is the fastest way to get better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs
22 May 03:23
--But, you know, you don't have to do everything from imagination when doing a piece. It's not a deal-breaker if you bust out references..
22 May 03:23
--Well the point of the project is for you to push yourself to the limit.
22 May 03:23
--The one big problem I could see with starting a project when you're not ready is that you might become hesitant to change things later on because you want it to be consistent. That, and you might default to doing things you're already confident in and end up not getting out of your comfort zone.
22 May 03:22
--Yeah, I was thinking of the practice I do for learning guitar (which was suggested as well) is learn the basic chords, at the same time have a music you want to learn and practice playing it. So in a way, you're learning the fundamentals while applying them immediately by learning a music (in this case can be illustration, concept art whatever you want to do) while learning the fundamentals.
22 May 03:20
--On how much accuracy do you need. Whenever you feel you are ready. If you fail, go back to the drawing board, correct mistakes, do more studies, and be back on the horse again, try your best and fail some more!
22 May 03:17
--It's like saying, wouldn't it be better if I just went in to play basketball than practice some drills, like shooting or dribbling, before I join a game?