Shout Box archive

15 May 01:08

OtherMuzz

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i only just learnt that having your pride in your art directly attached to your self esteem is a bad idea >_>

15 May 01:08

Amit Dutta

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The problem for you Muzz is to distance yourself from this learning! Seriosuly. The moment you identify with shit you think you know....that's when problem in miscomunication happens

15 May 01:07

OtherMuzz

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probably accurate

15 May 01:07

IrishWhiskey

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I'm reading all of these as if you guys are actually shouting at each other.

15 May 01:07

John

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... Actually, personally I'm on Muzz's side haha

15 May 01:07

OtherMuzz

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bad art advice can ruin potential careers, and even fuck with you mentally

15 May 01:06

OtherMuzz

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The reason why i even try and help, is that my art journey was full of bullshit advice that sent me down years of emotional issues causing stagnation and fustration.

15 May 01:06

Amit Dutta

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I have little undersanding of what went down

15 May 01:06

John

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Hampton didn't provide a textbook? I thought he did!

15 May 01:05

Amit Dutta

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I get Muzz

15 May 01:05

OtherMuzz

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sorry i'm going to close this window and walk away, this is dumb

15 May 01:05

Amit Dutta

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lol

15 May 01:05

John

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... Jeez. It's difficult seeing Amit acting real nice..

15 May 01:05

OtherMuzz

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aaaaarrrrrrgggghhhh what's the point of textbooks in the first place if one method isn't superior to another

15 May 01:04

Amit Dutta

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It literally makes no difference! not in real terms

15 May 01:03

Amit Dutta

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Great! can we all kiss and have mutal blowies as a result then? :P

15 May 01:03

OtherMuzz

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Well that's the opposite of my point but sure...

15 May 01:02

John

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Exactly. Who the fuck cares if one starts with gesture. Or forms. That's the point I'm trying to make. Not one is superior to the other.

15 May 01:02

Amit Dutta

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You pick!

15 May 01:02

Amit Dutta

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John, the point I guess is more about what you think is more imporant for you at the time. Sometimes gesture will provide benefits, sometimes fundametal structure will help more. can't generalise for everyone really, if we are talking self teaching

15 May 01:01

OtherMuzz

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like if jason chan got good by copying picasso's entire art history starting from abstraction going back to realism, that doesn't make it the best way to learn.

15 May 01:00

OtherMuzz

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it's about what is efficient, not what joe blogs did regardess of effficiency.

15 May 01:00

Brian Hermelijn

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Anyhow, got the info I needed, getting back to drawing. Talk to you guys later, cheers.

15 May 01:00

Amit Dutta

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:)

15 May 01:00

OtherMuzz

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who cares?

15 May 00:59

John

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How do you know they did not start from gesture?

15 May 00:59

OtherMuzz

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Im having it and i agree haha

15 May 00:59

Amit Dutta

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no offence

15 May 00:59

Amit Dutta

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stupid convo

15 May 00:59

Brian Hermelijn

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What muzz said. The point hampton made, that's what the discussion is about,

15 May 00:58

Amit Dutta

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ah

15 May 00:58

OtherMuzz

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The ENTIRE hampton discussion was if gesture is a good starting point. Not if gesture was valid at all.