13 May 14:11
--That's the arbitrariness of art. Like a personal stamp. I think our artistic value is measured by how can we make mistakes look like not mistakes!
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13 May 14:08
--I would argue, what is the point of having a nice rhythm to your sketches if you can't do a clean drawing in perspective?
13 May 14:07
--What I meant was, how does one capture flow and rhythm? That can be anything, especially spaghetti drawing!
13 May 14:06
--but anyhow, I can come off harsh, but that's just because i'm trying to condense a shit ton of information into a digestible form.
13 May 14:05
--Gesture refers to flow and rhythm. So a good gesture is a drawing that captures the rhythm of the reference.
13 May 14:04
--I love Muzz even though we have different stances. I'm still on the 'gesture'-first stance. But Muzz pointed out that the word 'gesture' is too arbritrary. What does 'gesture' mean?
13 May 14:04
--https://au.pinterest.com/thesullyman/kev...n-anatomy/ If you actually look at kevins sketch work... it's all in perspective with good form and accurate measuring.
13 May 14:03
--Ah, well I should show where I am currently at in terms of gesture drawing. But regardless of that, you already like provided the info I need either way so yeah.
13 May 14:00
--I also think that many of these books are aimed at an intermediate level of artist, not as initial material.
13 May 14:00
--From a first principles understanding starting with gesture makes no sense, as you haven't yet learnt how to even interpret what you are seing.
13 May 13:59
--There is a lot of argument between artists about what is the most important. I can only talk about it from my perspective and what i have seen to be effective in students. I think starting from gesture first can work assuming you have a teacher that is guiding you, but there is so many ways to get it wrong and harm your progress.
13 May 13:57
--but then again I am revisiting books and actually apply the knowledge within them compare to last year, so yeah. Gonna still apply the dorian practice.
13 May 13:57
--Hmm maybe I have been getting wrong info or misunderstood, because from kevin chen mentioned gesture>shape>form>planes>construction, from what I read in hampton he also states about the gesture like exaggeration,
13 May 13:55
--http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8377/85898...b068_o.png this drawing especially
13 May 13:54
--http://larolaro.blogspot.com.au/ This guy has great construction and amazing gesture.
13 May 13:53
--Art skills exist in a heirachy. Form>gesture. if you study gesture before form you end up with out of perspective spaghetti men.
13 May 13:51
--Like if you look at Gizmodo for example, almost all of his artworks is dynamic. Of course I do not know his back story on how he got where he's at.
13 May 13:50
--Just out of curiosity though, don't you think that could stiffen ones poses if what they're aiming is for like more dynamics in a way?
13 May 13:49
--Ateliers are effective for a reason, they aren't just a bunch of old school mumbo jumbo.
13 May 13:48
--It feels tedious because you aren't good at it yet. My accuracy studies lately have been about 45 min. The goal is to do the long tedious thing at the start, then speed it up... eventually the pros can do it in a few min.
13 May 13:46
--I do remember trying it, but didn't continue it for long, because it felt dang tedious :|
13 May 13:46
--Well for starter I will definitely revisit the lesson 1/2 for drawabox, always good to revisit things you have done. For dorian, will see how I can implement that for weekly practice, because accuracy requires a lot of patience, especially long hours study that needs to be 100% accurate.
13 May 13:44
--Ah, alright. Yeah I think that is also a part of it. Haha. Hmm what I do not know.
13 May 13:43
--seeing as the advice i wrote out is stuff i'm still learning, and i've been drawing since 2006
13 May 13:42
--yeah sorry didn't mean to imply that you haven't been drawing, but it's easier to just lay out the base information so you can assess where you are in the journey. I have no idea what you know and what you don't know.
13 May 13:41
--I should have stated to also check the compilation of 2014/2015 haha since I have been drawing for at least 1 year and half now, so I do have just a bit more hours ahead, not a total beginner yet at the same time, we will always learn new things.