Shout Box archive

22 Dec 20:24

Amit Dutta

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maybe we need the delusion otherwise we would never embark on this ride ever

22 Dec 20:24

Amit Dutta

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Well, spurious percentages aside, I do agree, that the dream is just a spur on to action of some sort

22 Dec 20:23

Hobitt

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arent all dreams 90% bullshit and then the wake up from the dream and reality is that the dream was only 10 % of what reality is

22 Dec 20:22

Amit Dutta

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yeah, and I feel that, the dream people have, especially on this forum is made out of bullshit sometimes

22 Dec 20:22

Hobitt

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indeed

22 Dec 20:22

EduardoGaray

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its not the job we deserve, but the job we need

22 Dec 20:21

Amit Dutta

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it's delusional *about the outliers I mean

22 Dec 20:21

Hobitt

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i do know some people taht really want to get into medical illustration

22 Dec 20:21

Amit Dutta

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let's not talk about outliers

22 Dec 20:21

Amit Dutta

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dude, that shit is gold....

22 Dec 20:21

Hobitt

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hell some people draw fanart for silly amounts of money lol

22 Dec 20:21

Amit Dutta

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lol

22 Dec 20:21

EduardoGaray

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i will!

22 Dec 20:20

EduardoGaray

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even inside illustration and concept art, there is more than just freelancing, things like patreon are only the tip of the iceberg

22 Dec 20:20

Amit Dutta

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sure...hands up everyone here who wants to illustrate the next colon cleansing machine for a decent salary

22 Dec 20:20

Hobitt

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indeed art has many avenues besides illustration and concept art

22 Dec 20:19

EduardoGaray

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painting stuff for a company or someone else, is just an option among many

22 Dec 20:18

Hobitt

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i do wonder if humanity will ever overcome its animal nature (thats excluding the scenario that we shall destroy ourselves sooner or later)

22 Dec 20:18

EduardoGaray

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whats the worst could happen?

22 Dec 20:18

EduardoGaray

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the world, with the internet is full of opportunities, just dig into into the chaos and have fun

22 Dec 20:16

Hobitt

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we are animals after all and instincts still are strong

22 Dec 20:16

Amit Dutta

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well humans don't in general. There is nothing logical about us

22 Dec 20:15

Hobitt

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yep the world does not operate on a logical basis sadly

22 Dec 20:15

Amit Dutta

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I'm done with making sense of the retardation of the world.....just gotta find your own way through the insanity!

22 Dec 20:14

Amit Dutta

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I think artists in general are too idealistic to know what solidarity means, it is inherently a selfishly motivated expression....unlike lawyers..those bastards banded together to set rates....now we pay them ridiculous rates to profit from conflict

22 Dec 20:13

Hobitt

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and honestly im not even sure how this payment problem can be resolved its so deeply ingrained in the system now that it is the system

22 Dec 20:12

Amit Dutta

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If you don't value your own work, shutTFU about the industry...only a few artists (even pros) say this. Peter Mohrbacher is one guy I respect....and he totally comes off as an arrogant dick sometimes, but he is right

22 Dec 20:12

Hobitt

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more like a lot of artists dont have a backbone to stand up and have some sort of solidarity with one another

22 Dec 20:11

Amit Dutta

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they are, but all you hear is moaning about "how the art isn't valued"

22 Dec 20:10

Hobitt

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i feel artists themselves are part of the problem they undervalue themselves so much paying tiny amount of money

22 Dec 20:10

Amit Dutta

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I just wanted to slap people into realising what the real world is like...not give up dreams, but not to LIVE in dreams!

22 Dec 20:10

EduardoGaray

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tabletop/rpg companies are the worst in that aspect xD