18 Sep 09:31
--Sometimes you need to take a big ole step back and ask yourself 'why a I doing this to myself, what is it achieving,' Jan - because beating on yourself leads to hitting that hump like a brick wall instead - I've just been through it, and deciding to be kinder to myself was the fix
18 Sep 09:30
--ah yeah, but then that attitude is exactly what will get you improving...thing is to not spiral into a self-loathing as a result of seeing mistakes
18 Sep 09:30
--Yep Em.. I've been all sorts of broke, I appreciate what I have right now so much.
18 Sep 09:29
--its always like that, i get super frustrated with a problem and cant move on until its fixed
18 Sep 09:29
--You've probably just hit one of those humps, and when you managed to get over it, things will look brighter again
18 Sep 09:28
--@Punk :) oh not saying you were. Plus I should note it depends on how a person appreciates it. Having worked my way up then fallen, you develop an appreciation for everything and it's value.
18 Sep 09:28
--You know Jan, your work actually has lots of promise and you are going about things well in your study. That's why I am always somehat bemused when I see people on the "right" path so down on themselves :)
18 Sep 09:27
--its not that im too attached to my work, its the opposite. i hate it and i want to make things that satisfy me
18 Sep 09:27
--Yeah I wasn't belittling it's value Em.. just that the aim to be rich and famous.. often leads to dissatisfaction when reached
18 Sep 09:27
--Well yeah for sure, but thinking about attachment when it comes to design vs art or illustration doesn't really make sense. You definitely shouldn't be so attached in either realm
18 Sep 09:25
--You can't remove yourself from anything you do...and if you do...why are you doing that? You should be fully engaged in everything you do in your life, otherwise that is the lie, and that is the "selling out" if such a thing even exists
18 Sep 09:25
--I think we need to stop considering money as a strictly materialistic value. Being part of modern society we're no longer a trade and barter system, money allows us a more versatile management of how we live. Depending on what you do you could live week by week like me or have a fulltime job and study or suppliment work etc. It's not the dollar value that's important, but how it allows you the flexibility to do anything and everything you intend to do.
18 Sep 09:25
--Hmm.. I guess I didn't see it that way.. maybe I don't see art that way either.. design was creating harmony.. art is sort of the same, creating narrative and harmony.. idk.. I love the process of creation, doesn't matter so much what's being made
18 Sep 09:24
--thats the cool thing about just approaching it as design, you can just remove yourself from it completely. paint a dragon? problem fixed, thats what they wanted. its that kind of thing
18 Sep 09:23
--i didnt wanna say that design is easy, just that you dont need to worry if you see yourself in your work. its good if it fixes the problem, but id doesn't need to be YOU
18 Sep 09:20
--Honestly, having /been/ a designer.. it's not that simple, clients are generally ignorant buggers who want miricles for nothing.. no job is ever as easy as it looks on the outside
18 Sep 09:18
--Become the fad, don't chase the fad... money isn't evil, we are allowed to make money and still be artists.. the starving artist myth is just that.. and hell, if you enjoy design, do that jan, and do art as a hobby
18 Sep 09:18
--i wish i could just remove art from the equasion. then i'd just be a designer and my goal would just be to make clients happy. easy life
18 Sep 09:17
--But don't chase the latest fad.. that way lies ruin, because fads come and go, and unless you want to be forever one step behind,...
18 Sep 09:16
--dave did somethign similar, he bought a bunch of stuff he couldnt afford just so he'd have to work harder to pay for it and not be homeless
