18 Sep 09:16
--There is nothing wrong with making money with art.. that is another bullshit thing we get fed - it's not selling out to make money!
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18 Sep 09:15
--so you either need to be a hypocrite about making money with art or you need to blindly trust that everything will be fine if you work hard enough (the latter is what he did)
18 Sep 09:14
--Look at cryptid creations - started out as a one a day creature project, has been hired by a huge company to do creature design now.. just producing what they loved to do
18 Sep 09:14
--Didnt he also take out $100,000 student loans which reminded him to work like crazy and be use to land a job which can pay it off
18 Sep 09:14
--Mhm, trying to commercialise your art for other people leads to chasing the tail of a dragon.. bad things happen. Better to do your own thing, someone will want it
18 Sep 09:12
--jeremy mann said today, if you start worrying about what appeals to other people and what sells, bad things will happen. the problem is you need to make work that sells while acting as if you dont care if it sells
18 Sep 09:12
--we are just the crazies that idealistically want to have our cake and eat it too!
18 Sep 09:11
--Many people get immense fulfilment out of doing art as a hobby...and doing something totally different for dollahs
18 Sep 09:11
--Ah there you go. I think Amit just nailed it. Haha Now i probably get the point Punk was trying to make
18 Sep 09:10
--That's why I find the money debate totally derails things when it comes to doing any art. Not that it isn't an important factor, but it is actually irrelevant to the root source, which is about self-expression and self-fulfilment. How everyone balances those two things is always going to depend on the person
18 Sep 09:10
--Yep.. but I think it's a heck of a lot better to persue what you love doing, and assume that someone out there will want it, than chase the thing that makes most money right now, because that will change, and your lack of passion will show as well
18 Sep 09:09
--Well, in that case it depends on the individual, if he/she is being defeated by their own reasons. :)
18 Sep 09:07
--It doesn't matter what kind of art it is.. I honestly find the distinction between 'fine art' and 'commercial art' is kind of bullshit, art is art, no matter how it's going to be consumed, and ultimately artists need money to live, but working at a job because it's the one that will net the most money, even if it's not what you love is self defeating
18 Sep 09:07
--Punk is right, i agree though. But its totally irrelevant with the point im trying to make. But Punk u totally right on what you said
18 Sep 09:07
--its like if you are a good painter universally you can probably pick up their style in a few days and youll get work from them anyway, no matter if you had that goal for years or not
18 Sep 09:07
--Jan, that's kinda funny! :) There's no problem having goals that shift...in fact goals are meant to and will shift the further away they are
18 Sep 09:05
--hm maybe i need to cut the mtg goal to do that. otherwise i'll always keep pushing in that direction. its so stupid that i just wanna do mtg work but i dont really care too much about fantasy illustration as a genre
18 Sep 09:05
--Dude but what are you talking about though? I dont get it, Its totally irrelevant. Im talking on a fundamental level. This is commercial art, its about the money here. And of course you do it, cause we love it, and not cause we want to be rich, that's obvious.
18 Sep 09:04
--Sure having money enough to eat etc is good, but that's not what I'm getting at.. attitude - always wanting, just creates wanting.. which is a bad way to feel
18 Sep 09:04
--Honestly one of the skills that needs to be taught to all artists learning is how to be a bit kinder with ourselves. Artists seem to be just pathetically useless at this very important skill
18 Sep 09:03
--Life philosophy Jeso, grasping for money, and assuming it will make you happy.. I can tell you right now, it won't.. having 'stuff' isn't the road to happiness... being able to look at exactly where you are right now, and be able to see the positives of it.. that is freedom
18 Sep 09:02
--You will feel a lot free-er if you give yourself a break from that horrible self inflicted mind stress. Your self-expression will come out naturally despite anything your mind can create as a false prison for it...so don't let it. :)
18 Sep 09:01
--I dont get your point punk, This is commercial art at the end of the day, its art for money, of course its about the money to certain degree.
18 Sep 09:00
--You have to relinquish your control Jan. Let whatever you do come out as it is.
18 Sep 09:00
--yeah amid, its the control over the person/artist I wanna be without knowing what thats gonna be