09 Sep 14:14
--I would also recommend avoiding measuring until you start learning landmarks of the human body, do looooooooots of gesture first and check very basic proportions (that your figures are x heads tall, etc). You get a feel for it after a while, if you want to learn to construct figures from imagination the atelier method will not work well
09 Sep 14:13
--But yeah -- learning art history, reading up on modern art theory is actually an awesome way to diversify your work. Abstraction directly influences design, intuitive and meditative art are neat to read about. I'd like to do an intuitive art workshop one day, just switching you mind from one mode of seeing art and producing it is an awesome brain reset
09 Sep 14:10
--He actually started as a realist painter and has been a notorious trend-chaser since
09 Sep 11:30
--Picasso's cubisim was utterly fascinating to study, he tried to portray time, via and movement (4th dimension) via canvas, by taking an object and drawing it from all different perspectives at the same time..
09 Sep 11:30
--yea i like to use it to experiment with different amounts of water to paint ratios with gouache. you get cool dry brush effects and water marks
09 Sep 11:29
--Yeah it's good fun to not have to draw stuff that looks like other stuff...which is actually pretty limiting in many ways
09 Sep 11:25
--Actually I really recommend people have a go at abstract art, and expressionism and cubism themselves. It is a totally different paradigm to representational work. It was much freer a process and more enjoyable in a lot of ways!
09 Sep 11:23
--In some ways I guess but....cubism is still a representation of something but in a very fractured way from different perspectives on the same canvas
09 Sep 11:21
--It seems I also need to have correct placement for my board, right now I can only go up to 45 degree, but for easier drawing, 90 degree of the board ( easel ) which I do not have yet.
09 Sep 11:21
--If you want true "intuitive" painting I think you have to look at abstract art and expressionism. That's about feeling and emotion more than representation.
09 Sep 11:21
--Yeah, accurate observation, that's the core question I wanted to go to, what is been trained.
09 Sep 11:19
--Yep. I guess anything that forces you to judge more accurately what you are looking at will help one's skills. That's the real skill being trained: accurate observation
09 Sep 11:16
--It does help your accuracy speed along if you do take the time to measure carefully. Intuitively guessing proportions perhaps might have some benefit in making you less dependent on reference. You wont get accurate as quickly that way though.
09 Sep 11:09
--Sight size is a regimented method for accurately drawing what you see in front of you. You don't have to use it to be able to draw accurately, but you still have to be able to make the same judgements whether you wing it or use a specific method.
09 Sep 11:06
--but if thats all you ever want to paint i guess you dont need to be super good at accurate drawing
09 Sep 11:05
--Well that's the thing, we don't really know if he did measure or not, since we weren't there to begin with seeing his process, what he thought about etc. But yeah, was just interested into learning what other systems exist out there in comparison to measuring.
09 Sep 11:03
--well i know bob ross did a ton of plein air paintings when he lived in alaska. Im sure he used some form of measuring to draw accurately from life. His videos are just a result of many years of building his visual library for landscapes.
09 Sep 11:00
--Merely just throwing things here, but is there any painters whom intuitively painted, one that comes to mind is Bob Ross.
09 Sep 10:58
--As in, for example, you have intuitive painters per say, of course I do not know if those kind of painters, do measure or not.
09 Sep 10:58
--I do wonder about that, isn't that dependent more of which area you're going for?
09 Sep 10:56
--People that never practiced measuring I'd guess never progress very far. Measuring is training your eye to see shapes and their relationships accurately without distorting it with symbolism.
