03 Sep 01:55
--I always wondered why peoples mention bargue drawings, as much I can see the benefits of it, there are artists whom haven't done any kind of bargue drawings, and still got to an exponential level of drawing.
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03 Sep 01:54
--Bleh, it's just been ages since I've chatted with artists who approach the craft in a technical way. I'm use to having to explain everything I do and because of that I keep coming across overly sure of myself and way too verbose.
03 Sep 01:48
--I see comparative measuring as a slower way of learning accuracy in drawing but it also internalizes what we draw from life by forcing you to problem solve in a different way than you would with sight size. They both have their benefits but I'd have to agree that establishing a strong eye for accuracy with sight size first is optimal. I did a fair share of measuring years back but never to the degree of using a string to exactly copy a bargue plate. In hindsight I should have done it earlier.
03 Sep 01:46
--Well I can't really say anything about that, it's a learning experience for everyone. SO yeah.
03 Sep 01:44
--You know, every time I type anything on this site I feel like I'm being pretentious or full of myself. I still don't draw nearly as well as I should, so I feel really out of place when ever I talk about technique.
03 Sep 01:41
--But yeah, ctrlpaint also has videos in regards to traditional techniques, its also one of the reasons why I stopped with reference drawing for a bit and go back to full life drawing.
03 Sep 01:37
--Keys to drawing actually teaches you all the basics for drawing though.
03 Sep 01:36
--I usually refer them to Proko's and CTRLPaint's videos on measuring and block-ins.
03 Sep 01:36
--I went to an atelier, so I don't know which book to recommend to beginners for all that. :(
03 Sep 01:34
--If I have to recommend a book for beginner it would be Kurt Dudson Keys to Drawing in combination with Harold Science of Drawing
03 Sep 01:33
--I consider learning visual measuring and linear block-ins as mandatory for beginners, they're far more helpful for drawing from life or reference than Betty Edwards bullshit.
03 Sep 01:04
--I recently did some bargue drawings even though I resisted the idea. It seemed like site size only trains you to be a mindless copier but after doing a few I can say that it has only enhanced my comparative measuring approach. I can see my accuracy in drawing went up a little.
03 Sep 00:27
--If I'm watching a vid tutorial for instance, and they say, "Try this," I go, "Well, why the hell not?" Even if I may be skeptical. Giving it a try doesn't hurt. ;D
03 Sep 00:26
--I will always treat new information with 'the benefit of the doubt', and analyze it, and allow it into my framework before I decide whether it's going to be helpful or not.
03 Sep 00:26
--True enough. I like to allow myself to take in new information, but to also be skeptical. Skepticism can be healthy. But, moderation in everything.
03 Sep 00:22
--People that say that are trying to maintain their attachments to the thing thats blocking them from learning new things.
02 Sep 23:42
--So, yeah.. Although, you know what they say about having an open mind. Don't let it be too open, or everything will fall out. XD
02 Sep 23:40
--A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's full! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "This is you," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup."
02 Sep 23:39
--Yeah, so true Adam. It's important to allow yourself to be open. Like the philosophy of zen/tao.
02 Sep 23:37
--usually its the approach you wrote off as useless that would have helped you the most effectively
02 Sep 23:37
--I have some experience with teaching kindergarten kids. They all had equal potential, but they all required a different way of being taught-- They required different rewards, motivations, and reasons for doing what they did. (Also, it really helped them if their parents took more time with them, and gave them good food and exercise) lol
02 Sep 23:36
--Unfortunately, a lot of the time, the right approach comes along in retrospect ;)
02 Sep 23:35
--If you find that the way you're learning is 'slow', then you probably just need to find a different approach.