02 Aug 08:25
--Some Jalepeno?
Shout Box archive
02 Aug 08:23
--Yeah, I just don't want this to become a hand-holding exercise either...it started to feel that way a little
02 Aug 08:22
--Just put a disclaimer for entries 'You're work will be up for future critique, again, and again, and again...' and have some retrospective streams of frequent entrants to make sure they ARE utilising that knowledge. Would help viewers see how to apply their own feedback they've received.
02 Aug 08:21
--haha, of course it's worth it for you guys...I was thinking very selfishly bout myself :)
02 Aug 08:20
--yeah, it must be kind of a bummer to put them together and find judges and then only get a handful of entries, but on the bright side of that, you might be able to do like CC04 and go through and crit all the entires if there's not too too many. That stream was really great
02 Aug 08:20
--It has been enlightening for me, every challenge brings up new major things that clearly people struggle with, and the biggest issues aren't the technical side of things most of the time, but those things are hugely important when you are working for clients.. One of the biggest ones is reading the damn brief, and the next, applying client feedback
02 Aug 08:18
--Yep for sure! I'm not intentionally being down on people for not acting how I want, I was just wondering about the effort involved in continuing CC that's all.
02 Aug 08:17
--Well Amit, having this discussion alone will motivate people to consider strongly the advice judges give them and put it to practice. This was only CC5, so consider it only a few turns of the engine before it gets going.
02 Aug 08:17
--Most of the challenges to date, have been focused on exactly the kind of briefs you might get as a working pro. 3 weeks isn't a particularly long deadline. I've had much much longer, and a little bit shorter. Shortest deadline was probably a week.
02 Aug 08:16
--speaking of which, does anyone know if the entries and streams for the first couple bloodsports still exist? Seeing those crits is always helpful
02 Aug 08:15
--but for instance i dont want to put my cc5 entry in my folio, so fixing it wouldnt make much sense for me, but the crit is still super helpful
02 Aug 08:14
--that makes sense, although I would think it would be good training for eventual employment. Clients expect stuff pretty quickly don't they? I understand those of us taking part in the challenges aren't pros, but that's the eventual goal right? CHOW sounds good too :)
02 Aug 08:14
--personally i always watch the crits and try to not make the same mistakes next time after i'm aware of them, thats how i use them
02 Aug 08:14
--Cool Rocket go for it. Tons of useful info hidden in the crit sessions probably! We did think about the team challenge it is something we will do at some point.
02 Aug 08:13
--I want to go back through the briefs and the critiques and work on them in my own time. Main hurdle is I don't do versions, drafts or studies. I've always just started a drawing and worked it to the end. That's a requirement for CC so the main problem is workflow. I was looking at maybe having teams or partners for some challenges.
02 Aug 08:11
--@Jan, yeah for sure, it's disappointing that the best touches to pieces tend to come in the final 10% push when you are totally sick of things. So to see people just ignore it, is a totally missed opportunity. You can't just say I'm sick of this piece fuck it, when you are working
02 Aug 08:11
--maybe i'll do some chows again in the future but for now i'm busy with the summer challenge
02 Aug 08:10
--@Pat, thanks. There is no way we can run it even more intensified lol. And in our experience, nobody we have seen has used the 3 weeks efficiently, so while you can technically finish an image in two days, it will NEVER happen for a challenge :)
02 Aug 08:08
--hm i think people value the feedback a lot and use it later, but can't stand looking at their image anymore and want to start fresh instead of going back at it & trying to fix it
02 Aug 08:08
--ok thanks. I actually would like more challenges with less time, maybe one every two weeks or so. A month is way more than anyone needs to make a single image, and more frequent crits are better imo
02 Aug 08:06
--I have been thinking about moving CC to a more ad-hoc timeframe. Every month is a little intensive, and not that many people seem to take advantage of us getting the quality of judges we do (very few bother implementing feedback after it is given). Any thoughts?