Jeso's Stair Case To Awesome

[Jeso]

Thanks man.  : )

And about the line work, I still stand by what I said I firmly believe drawing is the most beneficial thing you can study. painting is always secondary. Even when the final product is an actual painting.  

With drawing You don't necessarily filter any information out, except color. You can draw contours, and value from lightest light to darkest dark.  with cross hatching or whatever.  Drawing encompasses every single aspect of representational art, and does anything painting can do, except the color part obviously.  


If you felt like you learned faster with painting, maybe thats just cause it feels like a more "complete" thing to do, a finished painting feels like a complete product, in comparison with just lines without values.  Now of course im not saying not to paint, of course you need to paint, and study by painting.   Is like, I paint, lol. Thats how I make my living, doing painted work.  The biggest thing that differentiates a novice painter and a really good painter, 9 times out of 10, is not their painting skills at all. But the drawing underneath. Now, by drawing im not strictly talking about crisp lines, Im talking about any form of under painting you had, scribbles, painted lines, or just the structures that you are able to conjure out of your head, CAUSED by all the actual drawing you've done before.

But anyways, here's today's update.  : DD

gesture studies, hand studies, and some imagination heads and stuff.  Also a quick head sculpt in zbrush.

Sorry you lost me a bit here. Alright so what is it you mean with drawing specifically that makes it key? Because I saw you say earlier "line = design", that makes me think silhouette/shape design, but now you say drawing is all except using color but it ain't really, if you can draw with value, so you can with color, just use colored pencils! ha ha ha.

Now jokes aside to me drawing is, just delineating space and volumes on a flat surface, like you say now, the form underneath, so construction, because you can construct anything and then, light it however you like, get the same drawing, and use a different light setup, you get a completely different read or change it's material/texture, basically, you can use drawing as scaffolding right? Then paint in values, colors, materials, whatever, the scaffolding is then reusable.

Just mentioning this because I personally faced a conundrum that, I would draw something right? And say, okay this looks good. Then add color/value/shading, whatever, and suddenly see that it looked awful, and the question I had to answer to myself was, where did I go wrong? Did I shade/color wrong or was the drawing flawed to begin with? I keep facing those issues now all the time, I just have begun at times, to be able to tell better where did I go wrong, and I learnt that because I both practiced drawing and painting. I dunno if anyone else goes across this too lol.

I do get that since drawing is the first stage to clear, if you fail at it then it will probably fall apart later but I see people that draw, so so, then when painting fix a lot of things or as they go make drawing changes? And it turns out okay. That's why my current take is that you can't really focus on one stage over another because they both inform something of your process, inform you of what you are doing. So I have a hard time saying, yes, this is it! ha ha. But I'm intrigued by the question at hand so, what makes you say it is? Can you explain it a bit you experience?

Hey dude. Yeah you are right in a way. i didn't meant to say that, if you dominate drawing then you wouldn't have problems in other areas like rendering. They are a ying and yang kinda thing, if you are doing a painted illustration. If you have an excellent drawing but you dont have a single clue about how to light a subject, if you have not the faintest idea about color theory, then its gonna look like shit if you paint on top of it.

So its depends on what stage everybody is at in their journey. I guess in my own experience, right now it works if I laser focus on just my drawing, because I have been doing art for nearly 10 years.  I have painted a lot, so what will boost the quality of my work the most right now, is to take my drawing to higher levels.  

I'm realizing now is really hard to explain why drawing is the most important thing to focus on lol. Cause depending on where you are at, it may not be.  like if you can draw okay already, and you never painted before, and you want to become a painter, then yeah, in that case you need to put drawing aside and study painting for a while.

In my opinion drawing is the hardest shit there is in art, rendering materials, and values and shading, those you can learn much faster. There are value rules that always work, if you memorize them and apply them, there are color combinations that work every single time and color temperature rules that you can follow and instantly improve the look of your paintings.  But drawing is the one thing that you cant just study for a few days and now  you know the rules. Is the one thing you need to repeat and repeat and repeat in the most hardcore way in order to improve at. is less theoretical, and more.. of actual physical skill almost.

There comes a point when you can draw okay, and you can paint pretty well.  And is that point in the journey where I realized that the level of my drawings is what is keeping my work at "low level".  I don't know. Maybe im completely wrong, but this is my sketchbook thread and this is my philosophy about art and what I think it is xD But it is art indeed, is not math. There are no absolutes in any of these things.

Just wanted to speak so highly about drawing because, I have been there. I have been in that place where I could draw okay and then i started painting, and i made it always about painting, studying meant rendering something.. it was all just painting painting painting, and my improvement went to shit. Until I had some critiques from a couple of professional artist they told me to focus on drawing, get better at drawing, because rendering is just the incing on the cake. Drawing, is the cake.   Then during live streams of some really high level artist that do critiqs for people, it was the SAME critique over and over and over. "Work on the drawing" " the drawing is this or that and the other thing" "the ellipses are wrong, its flat, there is no structure."

It became a trend, I realized ok everybody is just neglecting the drawing part, and jumping straight into painting, and trying to get better at painting, and they are forgetting about the most important part.  And yeah, Just been working on it myself and realizing through this experience, that they were right lol. And I will end it here, cause this amount of typing is ridiculous xD  

Oh shit, and yeah here is today's work.


- Gonna be starting a personal concept art project, and Im going to try to find a style for it, and.. yeah try to develop a base for it.