01-23-2014, 03:21 AM
Ok, I'll elaborate a bit because it's would be rude to just say something and then go away, but I still think that we have vastly different approach to that matter and that we'll remain in our own boxes even after a lengthy discussion:)
You simply need to look at, say, Ursula's linework and then look at mine:) And we don't have to draw people or anything that requires knowledge as such. You could ask that we draw a simple single line. And her line is like five times better than mine. Because she's been drawing for ten years and from that ten years, she draws seriously for, let's say, three (Ursula I don't really know the facts so correct me if I'm horribly wrong:) ) and I've been drawing for those same ten years, but I've been serious about it for much less than that. So we are both past the point of those few weeks of casual practice.
I know a painter with like 40 years of experience and you should see his lines:) He could draw a scribble, some amoeba-like shape and we would all stare in wonder at the craftmanship of that amoeba scribble. He wouldn't have to draw a muscled human in perspective or a beautiful tree.
Also, try to ask a plastic surgeon who doesn't draw to draw a face. He knows face a lot more than probably all of us here and I'm pretty sure he can visualize it to shocking details and information. And his hand would simply refuse to perform that which he visualized because it can't. For the same reason I can't play billiards better than some average hobbyist, even though I know quite a bit about theory, stances, I know where to look, what to do, what spin does what thing etc. But I simply don't perform those moves on a regular basis. And you don't need anything for playing billiards, you even might need less predispositions than for art.
About visualization, yes, I agree it's an important asset and practice, of course. I do it too. But I also visualize doing a crossover in my mind (I really do) and it comes from the same place. But I need to actually perform a crossover for tens of thousands of times to perform it solidly. And I am really, really convinced that the same goes for art. Otherwise, I would progress in doing art by studying anatomy, photographs, color etc. without practical application, which is not the case. Visualization is an acompanying factor and a very important one, I didn't say it wasn't.
You simply need to look at, say, Ursula's linework and then look at mine:) And we don't have to draw people or anything that requires knowledge as such. You could ask that we draw a simple single line. And her line is like five times better than mine. Because she's been drawing for ten years and from that ten years, she draws seriously for, let's say, three (Ursula I don't really know the facts so correct me if I'm horribly wrong:) ) and I've been drawing for those same ten years, but I've been serious about it for much less than that. So we are both past the point of those few weeks of casual practice.
I know a painter with like 40 years of experience and you should see his lines:) He could draw a scribble, some amoeba-like shape and we would all stare in wonder at the craftmanship of that amoeba scribble. He wouldn't have to draw a muscled human in perspective or a beautiful tree.
Also, try to ask a plastic surgeon who doesn't draw to draw a face. He knows face a lot more than probably all of us here and I'm pretty sure he can visualize it to shocking details and information. And his hand would simply refuse to perform that which he visualized because it can't. For the same reason I can't play billiards better than some average hobbyist, even though I know quite a bit about theory, stances, I know where to look, what to do, what spin does what thing etc. But I simply don't perform those moves on a regular basis. And you don't need anything for playing billiards, you even might need less predispositions than for art.
About visualization, yes, I agree it's an important asset and practice, of course. I do it too. But I also visualize doing a crossover in my mind (I really do) and it comes from the same place. But I need to actually perform a crossover for tens of thousands of times to perform it solidly. And I am really, really convinced that the same goes for art. Otherwise, I would progress in doing art by studying anatomy, photographs, color etc. without practical application, which is not the case. Visualization is an acompanying factor and a very important one, I didn't say it wasn't.