Kimonas's Sketchbook
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So this weekend did quite a lot of real life stuff, including a 30 km hike in the Cairngorms, that shit was carnage.

Also I'm getting bored of doing line drawings quite a lot, but i know they are important. I feel ive made massive progress with them - basically i have never been able to draw good looking people and stuff in perspective with imagination consistently - i bet there is still so much to learn, but i feel ive stagnated with it, and ive achieved what i set out to do (for the time being). I have a little bit of expression left to do (theory wise). Im not kidding myself though, there is a difference between knowing the theory, and doing it, but i feel like i've learnt shit loads with it.

So hopefully now i can be a bit more confident with knowing what people look like off the top of my head, and it will show up when i start doing illustrations again.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttttttttttt..... I now have to put all this proportion, gesture, perspective, anatomy and expression and combine it with form-building.

I've basically got two things in mind to focus with now - either do loads of colour/tonal portraits and figure drawing - which ive done quite a lot of before.

OR

I study composition for a while, so i can bring something back to my workflow in anatomy and portraiture.

Either way i'm now attending an evening weekly figure drawing class and brought shit loads of equipment.

Any thoughts y'all?

And still have more design, more environments (shoddy work previously) and more still lives to study and waaaahhh...

Ok so not a huge amount this weekend - its been busy, but hopefully whatever i do, it will re-invigorate me into the beast i was 1-2 months ago.

Just a wee portrait from imagination in charcoal - which is LAME - but helps me with stroke economy. That ctrl Z button is addictive.


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Kimonas's Sketchbook - by Kimonas - 01-11-2015, 04:33 AM
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