11-29-2019, 05:26 AM
Ok, I'm far from the best person to have this conversation with but:
[font=Whitney,]I think we all need to back track a bit, it seems we are having some communication problems, to begin with, just to address the comment about the fundamentals, Darktiste, we can't really gauge how good you are at them if you aren't posting your draftsmanship practice; fundamentals are tricky, and one of the biggest problems with learning them is that you are basically pushing your brain to process information you don't even know you can process, often in abstract instinctive ways you aren't yet familiar with, which makes judging your own skill kind of impossible, you can look at someone who is better than you and somewhat recognise that, but until you are close to their level of skill, you won't really understand how they -specifically- are better; I think you should post your draftsmanship/perspective/observation practice here just to get someone else's opinion on them, again, talking from experience here, it's really hard to gauge your fundamental skill, because a lot the process of learning things like perspective or getting better at observation is literally about getting good enough to see your own mistakes, some strict drawing courses may make this task more straight forward, but as far as we know, you aren't following those.[/font]
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Putting that to the side for a bit, I think it would be useful to step back even further, Darktiste, why don't you post a few images of industry work you like (in the case you are trying to go pro) that is similar to what you are going for in your practice, m[/font]aybe that would give us a better idea of what you are trying to do. Not everybody needs to be insane at perspective or even observation, it all depends on what you wanna do, and there definitely are jobs in the industry for people who are very good at other things.
[font=Whitney,][font=Whitney,]Generally the fundamentals of art are considered -give or take- to be something along the lines of composition/design, perspective, anatomy/morphology, and light (color + value), but there are other fundamentals that apply to whatever task you are trying to fulfill, depending on your position in a team, you may be dealing with things like acting, physical processes (from ontogeny to erosion), rhythm (musical, visual), and other technical skills regarding the hardware or software you use; depending on if you work on extinct animal reconstruction, character animation, enviornment art, texture design, weapon design, your drawing and modelling skills will often rest on an understanding of these things, especially if you are working with multiple mediums, and your designs have to be manageable in all of them, such as is the case in concept design, where often you design in one or multiple mediums that aren't the final one(film, game, architecture, concert show, whatever), and during the process of making an asset, multiple people will have to translate and rework your designs, this fundamental understanding I'm talking about is that will let you set the boundaries of what the design can be, what can be rotated, moved, softened, hardened etc. to adapt it to these different mediums without breaking the intended effect of the design.[/font][/font]
[font=Whitney,][font=Whitney,]A solid understanding of these things does (in some cases) make traditional drawing skill not as important, even observation can take a backseat depending on the pipeline of the project, but again, I'd be skeptical of entirely relying on oneself to gauge that, a second opinion from someone more skilled, or ideally someone who does the type of work you want to do would be best, maybe we can offer some help in this forum but there's better places, many artists offer quick mentorships for a low price, tom scholes for example does weapons, as well as environments and 2d assets, you can buy an hour of his time for 90$ on patreon and probably ask him all the questions you want, if money is a problem, maybe just shoot him an email, he might respond. If what he does isn't what you wanna do, maybe find somebody else and try your luck with an email.[/font][/font]
[font=Whitney,][font=Whitney,]I might edit this post and rewrite some stuff.[/font][/font]
[font=Whitney,]I think we all need to back track a bit, it seems we are having some communication problems, to begin with, just to address the comment about the fundamentals, Darktiste, we can't really gauge how good you are at them if you aren't posting your draftsmanship practice; fundamentals are tricky, and one of the biggest problems with learning them is that you are basically pushing your brain to process information you don't even know you can process, often in abstract instinctive ways you aren't yet familiar with, which makes judging your own skill kind of impossible, you can look at someone who is better than you and somewhat recognise that, but until you are close to their level of skill, you won't really understand how they -specifically- are better; I think you should post your draftsmanship/perspective/observation practice here just to get someone else's opinion on them, again, talking from experience here, it's really hard to gauge your fundamental skill, because a lot the process of learning things like perspective or getting better at observation is literally about getting good enough to see your own mistakes, some strict drawing courses may make this task more straight forward, but as far as we know, you aren't following those.[/font]
[font=Whitney,]
Putting that to the side for a bit, I think it would be useful to step back even further, Darktiste, why don't you post a few images of industry work you like (in the case you are trying to go pro) that is similar to what you are going for in your practice, m[/font]aybe that would give us a better idea of what you are trying to do. Not everybody needs to be insane at perspective or even observation, it all depends on what you wanna do, and there definitely are jobs in the industry for people who are very good at other things.
[font=Whitney,][font=Whitney,]Generally the fundamentals of art are considered -give or take- to be something along the lines of composition/design, perspective, anatomy/morphology, and light (color + value), but there are other fundamentals that apply to whatever task you are trying to fulfill, depending on your position in a team, you may be dealing with things like acting, physical processes (from ontogeny to erosion), rhythm (musical, visual), and other technical skills regarding the hardware or software you use; depending on if you work on extinct animal reconstruction, character animation, enviornment art, texture design, weapon design, your drawing and modelling skills will often rest on an understanding of these things, especially if you are working with multiple mediums, and your designs have to be manageable in all of them, such as is the case in concept design, where often you design in one or multiple mediums that aren't the final one(film, game, architecture, concert show, whatever), and during the process of making an asset, multiple people will have to translate and rework your designs, this fundamental understanding I'm talking about is that will let you set the boundaries of what the design can be, what can be rotated, moved, softened, hardened etc. to adapt it to these different mediums without breaking the intended effect of the design.[/font][/font]
[font=Whitney,][font=Whitney,]A solid understanding of these things does (in some cases) make traditional drawing skill not as important, even observation can take a backseat depending on the pipeline of the project, but again, I'd be skeptical of entirely relying on oneself to gauge that, a second opinion from someone more skilled, or ideally someone who does the type of work you want to do would be best, maybe we can offer some help in this forum but there's better places, many artists offer quick mentorships for a low price, tom scholes for example does weapons, as well as environments and 2d assets, you can buy an hour of his time for 90$ on patreon and probably ask him all the questions you want, if money is a problem, maybe just shoot him an email, he might respond. If what he does isn't what you wanna do, maybe find somebody else and try your luck with an email.[/font][/font]
[font=Whitney,][font=Whitney,]I might edit this post and rewrite some stuff.[/font][/font]