03-31-2023, 05:02 AM
@Dominicque
Do you feel someone is being malicious or just so stunningly uninformed it's not worth explaining something (because you're not their mom, teacher or nanny to be responsible for their education!)? Block them. You're not depriving anyone of their universal human rights by removing their access to you and thus their ability to heap abuse. Don't engage, don't warn you're blocking them (as it causes certain types of trolls to chase you around), just ignore and block.
Stupid comments still bother like a thorn at your side even if you block the person, but I promise you the sensation fades with time.
And no, you don't need to know everything, you only need to have a skill your client wants, and it doesn't mean it needs to be perfect either.
Feel free to take a look at my stick legs and rubber hands any time you need a boost! XD
Oh, that would help. Family who tolerates the pursuit of an artistic career already help, an artist parent that can nudge you into the right direction is a great boost.
I had legs and hands aversion. I did them, awkwardly and scrunching up my face. But I have to work on my foundations, and tbh I'm sick of feeling this way. I don't want to be held hostage by the great intimidating knowledge gaps I still have.
I'm getting better at them now, even having some fun. It looks like the biggest lesson 2023 has for me is to learn to do bad drawings... and then do more bad drawings and be okay with it. Because no matter how teeny tiny each aspect I'm studying is, if I'm overcoming a challenge in the process then it's absolutely worth it.
I distributed circles in Blender and put them into perspective, using them as a base for the pads. It's important to understand perspective, but imho doing it manually every single time is a waste of time and effort which could go to the actual artistic part of the painting rather than the technical. And I also find feet hard, heh.
@Leo Ki
And often omitting a finger or blending them in farther POVs makes a gesture more dynamic. But that reminded me of a comic artist who'd often draw characters with two left/right hands.
Yes, I'm very tactile. Everyone's ability to visualize varies. I can picture a fuzzy grayed out square, but not a cube. I can hold isolated details in my mind: Washed out, extremely zoomed in. The overall outline of something if simple, OR the color, OR the material texture, OR the material light properties (...).
I'm able to vaguely picture a mountain's outline if a simple triangle, but that'll be the only thing I'll be able to picture at the time. Trying to pin down the shape, fill it in with texture or colors causes me to lose the image — until I start drawing it. I need to hold onto something to proceed to the next component of an image and I'm much better at volume and light (which is pretty much volume lit from another direction) than outlines, though I still can't hold more than two in my mind at once. That's why I started to draw, to give faces to characters from stories I imagined, because that's the only way I'd know what they looked like.
There were many past clues I'm not at the same visualization level many people are. In hindsight it's obvious, but aphantasia wasn't something acknowledged then. I just assumed people were being hyperbolic when referring to their "mind's eye". If you suspect you have some degree of aphantasia, think of exchanges about imagination you had. See if these ring a bell:
Friend: "Drawing is so cool, I wish I could do it! How do you get the image out of your head onto the paper?"
Me: "Eh, I don't really visualize what'll draw before drawing" *awkward smile*
--
Famous Concept Artist Lecture: "--and I get most ideas for environments from book descriptions."
Me (thinking): "??? But my mind is blank when reading."
--
Friend: "They'll make a series of (franchise). I'm so excited, they cast (actor) and it's just how I imagined (character)!"
Me: "Ah, I didn't imagine them."
--
Me to DM: "Okay, do you need the character sheet ready by when? I got to sketch my PC real quick so I get a sense of what they're like."
--
Me to DM (again): "Wait, the way out the room is on the right and (other PC) is behind me? I'm sorry, I'm lost here. Let me sketch a map."
@VitorCardoso
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when I start focusing on fingers! I'm wrapping up palm and thumbs since they are 50% of the palm deformation and my thumbs are underwhelming at best.
Quick update. It may not look like it, but I'm dipping my toes on values grouping now because I suck at it and sucking at them can make using mid to darker values very hard.
(03-29-2023, 07:27 AM)Dominicque Wrote: I need thicker armour. NGL, seeing a pro like you still have areas that they lack confidence on her calming me down.
Do you feel someone is being malicious or just so stunningly uninformed it's not worth explaining something (because you're not their mom, teacher or nanny to be responsible for their education!)? Block them. You're not depriving anyone of their universal human rights by removing their access to you and thus their ability to heap abuse. Don't engage, don't warn you're blocking them (as it causes certain types of trolls to chase you around), just ignore and block.
Stupid comments still bother like a thorn at your side even if you block the person, but I promise you the sensation fades with time.
And no, you don't need to know everything, you only need to have a skill your client wants, and it doesn't mean it needs to be perfect either.
(03-29-2023, 07:27 AM)Dominicque Wrote: NGL, seeing a pro like you still have areas that they lack confidence on her calming me down.
Feel free to take a look at my stick legs and rubber hands any time you need a boost! XD
(03-29-2023, 07:27 AM)Dominicque Wrote: I hear through the grapevine his mother is an artist
Oh, that would help. Family who tolerates the pursuit of an artistic career already help, an artist parent that can nudge you into the right direction is a great boost.
(03-29-2023, 07:27 AM)Dominicque Wrote: Ah, you might be on to something regarding 'aversion'.
I had legs and hands aversion. I did them, awkwardly and scrunching up my face. But I have to work on my foundations, and tbh I'm sick of feeling this way. I don't want to be held hostage by the great intimidating knowledge gaps I still have.
I'm getting better at them now, even having some fun. It looks like the biggest lesson 2023 has for me is to learn to do bad drawings... and then do more bad drawings and be okay with it. Because no matter how teeny tiny each aspect I'm studying is, if I'm overcoming a challenge in the process then it's absolutely worth it.
(03-29-2023, 07:30 AM)Dominicque Wrote: Love your girl appearing from water, your lily pads perspective looks masterful. You really make it took easy! You also paint some pretty hands. You've reminded me I need to practice feet, I also find them so much more difficult that hands, because they are always in perspective, especially from the front, so people can look like they are tiptoeing pretty darn easily.
I distributed circles in Blender and put them into perspective, using them as a base for the pads. It's important to understand perspective, but imho doing it manually every single time is a waste of time and effort which could go to the actual artistic part of the painting rather than the technical. And I also find feet hard, heh.
@Leo Ki
(03-29-2023, 12:58 PM)Leo Ki Wrote: I vote for the simplified hand render, also in comics it's ok to simplify hands as long as the intent is clear. Don't need to count the five fingers all the time unless it's a close up.
And often omitting a finger or blending them in farther POVs makes a gesture more dynamic. But that reminded me of a comic artist who'd often draw characters with two left/right hands.
(03-29-2023, 12:58 PM)Leo Ki Wrote: Intrigued by your mentioning aphantasia, I wonder if I have that. I used to think I was a visual person but the more I went the more I realized that I feel things inside rather than through the eyes - for instance a mountain peak is like lifting my arms and feeling the muscles stretch, not a conical object with an outline, to me. Do you get something like that with the needed landmarks at the detail level?
Yes, I'm very tactile. Everyone's ability to visualize varies. I can picture a fuzzy grayed out square, but not a cube. I can hold isolated details in my mind: Washed out, extremely zoomed in. The overall outline of something if simple, OR the color, OR the material texture, OR the material light properties (...).
I'm able to vaguely picture a mountain's outline if a simple triangle, but that'll be the only thing I'll be able to picture at the time. Trying to pin down the shape, fill it in with texture or colors causes me to lose the image — until I start drawing it. I need to hold onto something to proceed to the next component of an image and I'm much better at volume and light (which is pretty much volume lit from another direction) than outlines, though I still can't hold more than two in my mind at once. That's why I started to draw, to give faces to characters from stories I imagined, because that's the only way I'd know what they looked like.
There were many past clues I'm not at the same visualization level many people are. In hindsight it's obvious, but aphantasia wasn't something acknowledged then. I just assumed people were being hyperbolic when referring to their "mind's eye". If you suspect you have some degree of aphantasia, think of exchanges about imagination you had. See if these ring a bell:
Friend: "Drawing is so cool, I wish I could do it! How do you get the image out of your head onto the paper?"
Me: "Eh, I don't really visualize what'll draw before drawing" *awkward smile*
--
Famous Concept Artist Lecture: "--and I get most ideas for environments from book descriptions."
Me (thinking): "??? But my mind is blank when reading."
--
Friend: "They'll make a series of (franchise). I'm so excited, they cast (actor) and it's just how I imagined (character)!"
Me: "Ah, I didn't imagine them."
--
Me to DM: "Okay, do you need the character sheet ready by when? I got to sketch my PC real quick so I get a sense of what they're like."
--
Me to DM (again): "Wait, the way out the room is on the right and (other PC) is behind me? I'm sorry, I'm lost here. Let me sketch a map."
@VitorCardoso
(03-30-2023, 12:35 PM)VitorCardoso Wrote: Some of the hands appear as if the fingers are flaccid, due to the lack of structure. Steve Huston often says that when the drawing is too flabby like rubber, it needs more corners. I think the lack of overlapping lines also hinders communicating the sense of depth. Always put one line in front of the other to show what is in front. The nails also help a lot to convey the idea of three-dimensionality.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when I start focusing on fingers! I'm wrapping up palm and thumbs since they are 50% of the palm deformation and my thumbs are underwhelming at best.
Quick update. It may not look like it, but I'm dipping my toes on values grouping now because I suck at it and sucking at them can make using mid to darker values very hard.