Line - rating

[Ziggler]

Hello, how would you rate my line? It's not really a drawing, because in order to show one I first have to learn proportions etc. properly. ;)

[Crowbit]

way better than my lines if im being real with you. they look perfect

[darktiste]

What matter is if they are done freehanded(preferably) or with a ruler. Also the length of them. Just doing the same A to B movement is not enough to have good penmanship you got to be able to do vertical, horizontal, diagonal each of those specific movement as 2 variant one from point A to B and one from B to A.

Then if you kind master those linear variant you start to teach yourself to measure the angle of two segment of line this can be useful for people who will do technical drawing.

Beyond that you also have line thickness going from thin to thick /thick to thin you can do that also for every case scenario i gave before.

Line exercise are not a requirement to draw they are good warm up. The general us of being able to draw different line from most hand position is so that you don't have to rotate your paper when drawing in real life. It kinda easy to rotate the whole canva digitally but it won't hurt since your real life drawing skill will transfer to digital drawing.

One thing if you want to do the exercise similarly to what you been doing would be to instead to do set of line draw over the same line and maintain the quality of the line you will save alot of paper that way.

What i recommend is if you find a certain position difficult practice that movement but most likely what i would say is try free form line making where you just draw whatever pattern but in a repetitive kind of fashion basically free form it much more useful to be able to make pattern because it basically also line but you actuall have intention. The rational of why i recommend free form is because they help you develop a sense of scale, the ability to evaluate distance also i feel like the repetitive exercise leak creative edge of that exercise and the number are pretty meaning less and arbitrary. What i like to do is keep a post it block and if i feel like i need to warm up a fill up that scare with free hand pattern it can also be a nice way to warm of for texturing which is basically often line base when done with fine point pen.

[Ziggler]

What matter is if they are done freehanded(preferably) or with a ruler. Also the length of them. Just doing the same A to B movement is not enough to have good penmanship you got to be able to do vertical, horizontal, diagonal each of those specific movement as 2 variant one from point A to B and one from B to A.

Then if you kind master those linear variant you start to teach yourself to measure the angle of two segment of line this can be useful for people who will do technical drawing.

Beyond that you also have line thickness going from thin to thick /thick to thin you can do that also for every case scenario i gave before.

Line exercise are not a requirement to draw they are good warm up. The general us of being able to draw different line from most hand position is so that you don't have to rotate your paper when drawing in real life. It kinda easy to rotate the whole canva digitally but it won't hurt since your real life drawing skill will transfer to digital drawing.

One thing if you want to do the exercise similarly to what you been doing would be to instead to do set of line draw over the same line and maintain the quality of the line you will save alot of paper that way.

What i recommend is if you find a certain position difficult practice that movement but most likely what i would say is try free form line making where you just draw whatever pattern but in a repetitive kind of fashion basically free form it much more useful to be able to make pattern because it basically also line but you actuall have intention. The rational of why i recommend free form is because they help you develop a sense of scale, the ability to evaluate distance also i feel like the repetitive exercise leak creative edge of that exercise and the number are pretty meaning less and arbitrary. What i like to do is keep a post it block and if i feel like i need to warm up a fill up that scare with free hand pattern it can also be a nice way to warm of for texturing which is basically often line base when done with fine point pen.

Thanks for such a detailed opinion. I draw these lines only freehand, and I usually spend around 2 hours on this exercise just as a warm-up. I feel that by repeating this many lines, I will get better and better at it, though I'm still not satisfied. That's why I decided on this approach. I plan to try infrastructure someday, but at the moment, I don't feel very confident about this topic.

[Ziggler]

way better than my lines if im being real with you. they look perfect

Comparing yourself to others is not a very good habit. It’s definitely not that bad for you—maybe you’re being too harsh on yourself. If you want to compare yourself, it's best to compare to your past self. ;)

[darktiste]

I think you got to define more what you are trying to get out of those exercise. Drawing exercise can be pretty aimless without some intention behind them.

I suggest dropping those exercise for now an opening a sketchbook so we can get a better idea of the thing you wanna draw.

When you say infrastructure i am not that sure what you mean by that. Do you mean like construction plan? Conceptual architectural drawing? Industrial design? What the purpose video game? Technical plan? Conceptual design for presentation to potential developer?

Don't invest your time repeating exercise that tell people nothing about your intention it best to be able to clearly communicate your intention. Draw first and this give us a portrait of your current skill and general direction so that we are more likely to help. You don't need to have perfect line to move on to the next thing on the list.

Perfectionism will no help you at first it can actually slow you down. It like trying to nail a nail perfectly every time it doesn't matter that much what matter is you get the nail down you can always redo a line but it just generally better to move on and come back in later stage to clean up the drawing. It ok to be loose and have ''sketchy line'' in most case and if you do technical drawing most likely you will be using tool to make the job alot easier but there also a good chance you will use digital software also so it really depend those tool will make clean up much easier and the quality of your line a lot less important than you might actually think they need to be.

So yeah better to start drawing and posting stuff you think you would like to draw also won't harm even if it just other people work atleast you give us a better idea of what you like just make sure to tell the people which image you made and what are the image you want to draw more like.

[Ziggler]

I think you got to define more what you are trying to get out of those exercise. Drawing exercise can be pretty aimless without some intention behind them.

I suggest dropping those exercise for now an opening a sketchbook so we can get a better idea of the thing you wanna draw.

When you say infrastructure i am not that sure what you mean by that. Do you mean like construction plan? Conceptual architectural drawing? Industrial design? What the purpose video game? Technical plan? Conceptual design for presentation to potential developer?

Don't invest your time repeating exercise that tell people nothing about your intention it best to be able to clearly communicate your intention. Draw first and this give us a portrait of your current skill and general direction so that we are more likely to help. You don't need to have perfect line to move on to the next thing on the list.

Perfectionism will no help you at first it can actually slow you down. It like trying to nail a nail perfectly every time it doesn't matter that much what matter is you get the nail down you can always redo a line but it just generally better to move on and come back in later stage to clean up the drawing. It ok to be loose and have ''sketchy line'' in most case and if you do technical drawing most likely you will be using tool to make the job alot easier but there also a good chance you will use digital software also so it really depend those tool will make clean up much easier and the quality of your line a lot less important than you might actually think they need to be.

So yeah better to start drawing and posting stuff you think you would like to draw also won't harm even if it just other people work atleast you give us a better idea of what you like just make sure to tell the people which image you made and what are the image you want to draw more like.

That's why I pay attention to the quality of the lines, because I can't stand it when they're, for example, jagged. It gives the impression that I didn't put much effort into it.
When I talk about infrastructure, I don't mean any of the things you mentioned. My goal is simply to get satisfaction from it because I've always enjoyed creating my own world in my mind. And if these drawings look more professional, I will publish them on social media or use them as prints on T-shirts for myself.
When it comes to perfectionism, I don’t pay as much attention to it as I used to. But to some extent, I still do, which makes me hesitant to suddenly try drawing something that requires more details, etc.

[darktiste]

Why is it important if it look effortless or not? Are you comparing yourself to much? Perhaps you are setting oexpectation that are very high because you only know to do so because you feel there is so much of a gap between what you see out there and what you can do.

Confidence is not something that get built over night. People can only assume the effort you made into something base on the work you did before those who do so soly on 1 artwork just don't have the full picture of what you can do... right now we have no idea of what you are capable of and we are just normal people like you. We can overlook the flaw of the work. We can tell generally if someone as put effort or not but to over focus on detail like a jagged line that not healthy.

What matter is the structure of what you draw a jagged line doesn't matter that much honestly it a ''temporary thing''. Yes there is problem when you collect them but it really just about how much line you put on the page... 1 line on the page that is jagged yes it will surely be annoying to look at but the more there is the less it really matter and as i said it temporary ''because you can always put more effort''

A minor mistake generally will not overshadow something that is done skillfully. There people who don't clean up there sketch that make great mess let me tell you because they put effort and they still get away with it just because it how good the rest of there fundamental are.


I think this post i made a while back might help you identify some negative self talk https://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-6483.html