What Is & Isn't A Fundamental.

[OtherMuzz]

Edit: i just reread your post, your last paragraph has me confused, it agrees with my opening premise, but your first paragraph disagrees.

I'll leave my post up because I'm not sure. Also, I just want to check how my tone is coming across, am I coming across as too harshly?

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Oh no, you didn't explicitly say that, but implicit in your words (and I might be wrong) it sounded like you were saying gestures are pointless unless you do anatomy and form first. I don't have that fundamental a view, that is all.

Yes I do have this view. So I have a some questions, would you recommend to a beginner that they should do gesture drawings, and what exactly are you suggesting they do? And if so what are they trying to learn? You must have some arguments to back up your claim here, and tradition really isn't a suitable answer.  

You haven't addressed my problems with gestures being nothing but a shorthand for learned knowledge, otherwise, they are just really bad copies from life.

I think it's time to pull this article out, not because I think people don't know how to argue, but because i think it might help with the self awareness of how we are discussing this.

http://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

So far, at best, using this scale, the best argument in favour of gestures as a starting point has been a contradiction without a supporting case.