10-12-2019, 04:27 PM
(10-12-2019, 06:09 AM)Fedodika Wrote: im not really sure, your comment in my sb got me thinking alot about camera angles, so id say do what feels best right now, i gotta do some more research myself ;)
Oh, I hope it was okay for me to comment your SB in such a way, now I feel uneasy. I just wanted to be as straightly honest as I thought I should! Maybe a softer hand next time? It's quite easy to check this stuff! I learn most from: https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/perspect1.html
And also looking at artists that do those extreme action shots? Line in some manga/anime or people who draw multiple perspectives views inside a frame? Those who really play around. I hope you find what you are looking for!
(10-12-2019, 09:33 AM)Leo Ki Wrote: At first I too had the impression that the rotation messed up the foreshortening. Now I wonder if that was just a temporary effect of switching from one view to the other. In photography terms this would correspond to a simple rotation of the camera, would this change the perspective? I'm not sure. I don't have many comments at this point of the WIP except that I like how you colored the woman's cape and I look forward to seeing the next stage!
My take on cartoon is that to make good cartoon you need to know everything about realism plus how to apply the knowledge to distorted shapes that we don't see in real life. How to shade this huge nose, what shadow will it cast onto the cheek or chin? How to keep this exaggerated leg movement recognizable as what it is in real life to a general public at a spontaneous level? What mental pathways connect the abstract to the immediate perception? The fact that you find cartoon easier may mean that you know more than you realize and you're beyond realism in your subconscious?
Well the thing is that, we aren't rotating the camera, we are rotating the world! This is powerful stuff. Ha. I dunno, I'm not a true expert but my reasoning is that when you define a perspective our heads want to keep the horizon leveled at all times, else we are falling sideways, so turning the world and keeping our heads levels creates all kinds of confusing information. There's probably a way to make things match but to me, as I see it on here, it would require to squash/stretch the rotated view, or tilt my head to match the horizon lol. A better explanation should be done by an actual mathematician lol, no clue.
Well, I though so too but, you know, two things came to my mind that I heard from experts. One were people who do animation at japan, where they said sometimes, you need to change the shadow direction on a nose or other feature on a character face (so fake it, go against the actual shadowing of the scene or body) because else it looks worse, than if you do it incorrectly. Another is on the Animators Survival Kit, I think it was Art Babbitt? Don't remember but, he would do a character walk, and in a few frames? He would twist the leg inside the body! Crazy, breaking it, then turning back out and make it match the normal walk. And this, which goes against all anatomy that we know, would look just fine, and give personality to a character. So, truth is, abstraction goes beyond reality, to points that sometimes you can and will want to do, something that goes against any reason, because it creates the illusion that something is way more appealing that it would be otherwise, or more interesting. Reality, and how we perceive reality in our minds, are two different things to study. You have no safety net when you go crazy and want results! So that's why is way trickier.
It's not I find it easier, but more comfortable? Like, I'm engaged, possibilities? I think is a sense and drive of wonder. Realism, I want to master it if I can, but, what's real is fixed. What's in your head, is forever changing. That really just blows my mind! Ha.