06-12-2020, 03:36 PM
Jeso
Nah, I'm shelving that one for the future. I'll reattempt when I know more to check progress.
Gliger
Whoot! You made my day man. Many many thanks!
The armor is great, yes you nailed the issues! I've been trying to say the lighting stuff from the beginning, I dunno how to light things up or why and is one of the core things I'm working at (I mentioned to someone who asked me that my main goals are to improve at lighting, value, color and design/shape language) and yup! The issue I'm having right now with the guns I'm working on is exactly that, bevel, break the edges, push in and out the forms, don't think enough about the volumes.
I have noticed on me the issue and has been nagging for a while, that I tend to draw something and then is hard for me to discard it? I wrap things around too much to the initial sketch instead of throwing it out the window and draw something new, show bulk, change the volume. The only thing that has been helping me out lately is to sketch blindly first the silhouette read without thinking of form or volume but is quite hard for me to do well, I get my wires crossed (like trying to draw something from the get go, no construction, just bam, put everything down).
The guns exercises are helping me somewhat deal with this because they fall apart if I do that, so I fail quickly and I have to rework things out until I find my way out of the mess ha ha, maybe that's why I'm obsessed with them. Is destroying my confidence tho ha ha.
Sorry for the tangent, back on track, I don't post finished stuff, not really finishing much, all I do is like exercises to challenge or try to learn, keep improving, so I abandon a lot of stuff, I keep coming back to them eventually, when I know more. I think that's what SB are for ha ha, suits me perfect.
I would like to pick your brains about what you mean with the second way of fixing it. The workflow or habit thing? I mean, sounds more like a way of thinking but not really grasping what I would be supposed to do. Like everytime do the same? Light everything the same way? Or use the same kind of lighting that I know works? I do want to study Gainax/Trigger hard.
Transitions of shapes and values is like what you did on the legs? Like fog? Okay that is easy enough to introduce, I do try to not use that unless there's like a big enough space to justify it but I do have been thinking I need to push light decay, like have a gradation of light from the nearest point to the farthest one, that is something I keep forgetting.
Hmm, my way of thinking about shadows is trying to think of the volumes? Where the light is coming from and where the shadow will go, that said since I don't really know how to light something and I'm not a 3D rendering engine ha ha, I miss a ton of shadows or make the lighting boring to being with or not good to show the form well but are you saying I should just mix lighting schemes up to always cast a shadow somewhere to show where it's in space? Even if it's not correct? That's kind of what they do in anime, I've been thinking that could be a way to go, faking shadows just because they work for the shot or because if it's abstracted you have some leeway on what you depict, you can merge multiple lights into simple shadow shapes or trim what you don't like. Pixar did that with their movies I believe, just to enhance the message. Like hiding the arm in a shadow on the robo/armor cat would be like using a cookie in a movie light or something like a barn door right? Just cast a shadow there because it clarifies the message, that stuff I'm missing on, I'm not sure how to wrap my head around. I really do need like a book or studying movies.
I tried to do a few of the changes you suggested, like the inner lining of the glove being gray, ha ha, yup I thought keeping it orange would be a wink to paws, but wasn't working all that well I feel. Since I was going to fix an issue with the elbow today it was worth a shot. I tried to push the shadows some like you pointed, but still keep the arm showing since I don't understand yet why hiding it in shadow works or not, like to me both work I still don't grasp why to do one over the other.
About the Alex Seneschal tutorial does it go on sale? I don't mind getting it now, what does it touch upon?
About the rest I do agree that everything feels about the same for now, materials and texture I'm avoiding a tad, even when I practiced some, until I work out my consistency! Ha ha, yes, I've just told a few days ago about the same thing to someone that I want to work out my consistency, like I came across this but you are supposed to not want to be the person who does 1 great piece 99 trash ones, but someone who does like overall good ones. Consistently good. That's what I'm trying yup. I'm not sure if I'm doing the right things for that tho. Maybe I'm not pushing enough I do see I'm improving, just not sure if it's at the right rate.
Anyways, so many thanks again. This was really plenty helpful and useful. I owe you!
Small update on the cat.
Nah, I'm shelving that one for the future. I'll reattempt when I know more to check progress.
Gliger
Whoot! You made my day man. Many many thanks!
The armor is great, yes you nailed the issues! I've been trying to say the lighting stuff from the beginning, I dunno how to light things up or why and is one of the core things I'm working at (I mentioned to someone who asked me that my main goals are to improve at lighting, value, color and design/shape language) and yup! The issue I'm having right now with the guns I'm working on is exactly that, bevel, break the edges, push in and out the forms, don't think enough about the volumes.
I have noticed on me the issue and has been nagging for a while, that I tend to draw something and then is hard for me to discard it? I wrap things around too much to the initial sketch instead of throwing it out the window and draw something new, show bulk, change the volume. The only thing that has been helping me out lately is to sketch blindly first the silhouette read without thinking of form or volume but is quite hard for me to do well, I get my wires crossed (like trying to draw something from the get go, no construction, just bam, put everything down).
The guns exercises are helping me somewhat deal with this because they fall apart if I do that, so I fail quickly and I have to rework things out until I find my way out of the mess ha ha, maybe that's why I'm obsessed with them. Is destroying my confidence tho ha ha.
Sorry for the tangent, back on track, I don't post finished stuff, not really finishing much, all I do is like exercises to challenge or try to learn, keep improving, so I abandon a lot of stuff, I keep coming back to them eventually, when I know more. I think that's what SB are for ha ha, suits me perfect.
I would like to pick your brains about what you mean with the second way of fixing it. The workflow or habit thing? I mean, sounds more like a way of thinking but not really grasping what I would be supposed to do. Like everytime do the same? Light everything the same way? Or use the same kind of lighting that I know works? I do want to study Gainax/Trigger hard.
Transitions of shapes and values is like what you did on the legs? Like fog? Okay that is easy enough to introduce, I do try to not use that unless there's like a big enough space to justify it but I do have been thinking I need to push light decay, like have a gradation of light from the nearest point to the farthest one, that is something I keep forgetting.
Hmm, my way of thinking about shadows is trying to think of the volumes? Where the light is coming from and where the shadow will go, that said since I don't really know how to light something and I'm not a 3D rendering engine ha ha, I miss a ton of shadows or make the lighting boring to being with or not good to show the form well but are you saying I should just mix lighting schemes up to always cast a shadow somewhere to show where it's in space? Even if it's not correct? That's kind of what they do in anime, I've been thinking that could be a way to go, faking shadows just because they work for the shot or because if it's abstracted you have some leeway on what you depict, you can merge multiple lights into simple shadow shapes or trim what you don't like. Pixar did that with their movies I believe, just to enhance the message. Like hiding the arm in a shadow on the robo/armor cat would be like using a cookie in a movie light or something like a barn door right? Just cast a shadow there because it clarifies the message, that stuff I'm missing on, I'm not sure how to wrap my head around. I really do need like a book or studying movies.
I tried to do a few of the changes you suggested, like the inner lining of the glove being gray, ha ha, yup I thought keeping it orange would be a wink to paws, but wasn't working all that well I feel. Since I was going to fix an issue with the elbow today it was worth a shot. I tried to push the shadows some like you pointed, but still keep the arm showing since I don't understand yet why hiding it in shadow works or not, like to me both work I still don't grasp why to do one over the other.
About the Alex Seneschal tutorial does it go on sale? I don't mind getting it now, what does it touch upon?
About the rest I do agree that everything feels about the same for now, materials and texture I'm avoiding a tad, even when I practiced some, until I work out my consistency! Ha ha, yes, I've just told a few days ago about the same thing to someone that I want to work out my consistency, like I came across this but you are supposed to not want to be the person who does 1 great piece 99 trash ones, but someone who does like overall good ones. Consistently good. That's what I'm trying yup. I'm not sure if I'm doing the right things for that tho. Maybe I'm not pushing enough I do see I'm improving, just not sure if it's at the right rate.
Anyways, so many thanks again. This was really plenty helpful and useful. I owe you!
Small update on the cat.