08-15-2013, 09:50 PM
(08-15-2013, 06:42 PM)kerm Wrote:(08-15-2013, 07:43 AM)Psychotime Wrote: If that's what you want to tell yourself, then by all means, give up.
If there's a bad way to ask for critique, it's saying outright that you're not going to even fix the problems you claim to be aware of.
Thx for motivation...
I tried to build it up correctly but it didn't worked out, so I asked for an advice... as I said, I'm just stuck, not giving up...
What have you done to try to fix your problem before you decided to ask for a redline? Let's see what you've been doing.
Forgive me for being wary of people who'd rather have someone tell them the answers and not appear to put any effort in fixing it themself beforehand.
(08-15-2013, 06:42 PM)kerm Wrote: I don't know what's your problem, but I'm not going to quit...
Good. That's what I want to hear.
(08-15-2013, 09:45 PM)Myriam Wrote:(08-15-2013, 07:43 AM)Psychotime Wrote: If that's what you want to tell yourself, then by all means, give up.
If there's a bad way to ask for critique, it's saying outright that you're not going to even fix the problems you claim to be aware of.
stop being an asshole, he/she just asked for help saying they're aware of some problems but unable to find a solution.
And the problems they pointed out are things that any normal person should know they have ways to fix. The legs look funny? Get reference. Face and neck look weird? Get out a decent anatomy book and fix it until it looks right.
But no, they'd rather come here and ask other people to do the work for them.
I don't talk to people like this often, but a person that comes off this lazy warrants it.
How about I rephrase what I said:
If you come here asking for critique to improve your image, can pinpoint three things that you know you need to fix, but instead of working to fix it on your own (which you are perfectly capable of doing when you're completely aware of the issue), you'd rather come here and ask for someone to do that work for you, you're doing nothing but giving a terrible impression as a lazy slacker who wants to piggyback on other people instead of your own effort. And if that's what you really want to be, just throw away this image and go do something else.
Maybe I'm some kind of strange idealist, but when it comes to critiquing issues in someone else's artwork, the goal is to point out mistakes the artist made and is completely unaware of, because doing so helps them learn. There are other parts in critique, but this is the most relevant to our topic.
But when an artist shows up, asks for critique, and knows the exact mistakes they made beforehand; they don't look like they want to learn, they look like they want someone to do their work for them. And when it gets to that, what the hell is the point from anyone's standpoint? The artist just wants a handout, and the person who puts effort in fixing issues for that artist is simply being used. It's ugly and parasitic, which is the complete opposite of what I believe critique and redlines are supposed to be.
The second I read that line in the OP the very thing I heard was "Yeaahh, I know this and that look wrong, and I COULD fix it myself and learn in the process...Buuut I don't wanna do that. Could YOU just fix it for me?"
Was that concise enough?
(08-15-2013, 06:42 PM)kerm Wrote: Didn't you read this: "RULE #1: Don't be a dick." ?
Yes, exactly. Hopefully we understand each other, now.