What Is & Isn't A Fundamental.

[OtherMuzz]

If what are you trying to say with that statement is that you need some understanding of form and perspective to get anything out of figuredrawing, I'm with you on that.

Then what exactly is the disagreement.

The thing that puts them in the same category in this context is that both are ways of reducing the brain-capacity needed to accomplish a task.

I'm positing that abstraction in the form of gestures is a shorthand for knowledge you already know, it doesn't always reduce brain capacity to learn to begin with, especially if it is in the road of understanding the actual thing.

As for giving examples... you have to realize that you're asking me to call out artists on using a dead-end approach to learning, which seems like a really bad idea. No matter if what I say makes sense or not, it'll cause more trouble than it's worth. I hope that's reasonable.

I'm more than happy to call out flawed approaches, but I understand that you would rather not.

Aaah, why do you do this man? If you want to crit my art you're more than welcome, but you could just make a post in my cc entry or something. let's not have a discussion about our personal abilities in this thread.

Two reasons.

I made this thread because i have been saying this stuff in about 50% of sketchbooks I comment on here, with many people not understanding fully, so I wanted to have a discussion people could read and actually understand. So yeah I could comment on your work, but the point of this thread was so I didn't have to, that being said I can give a proper in-depth crit on your work if you would like.

But the other thing is we are having a deep conversation about the nature of learning art, much of which only becomes apparent after you have had to challenge everything you know to move past hurdles. Like it or not, our art is a reflection of our ideas and philosophies, and if we are talking about specific things with learning, if you haven't demonstrated an understanding of the skill in question, then the quality of the discussion won't be that high. Of course this is a subjective judgement on your work on my part, but the questions I asked are genuine, and the answers would be interesting.

Ps, could you please use the quote tags, it makes it far easier to read.