Darktiste Sketchbook

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This is a VERY long post. I'm Sorry. It's the way I'm wired, to blab endlessly.

TL;DR:
Your understanding and approach to what it takes to be a serious career industry artist and not a hobbyist appears to have some major flaws at this stage and requires serious reevaluation. Go back and read all the advice you have ever been given here. Ask yourself if it is all bad and to be discarded. If the answer is yes, well...I guess, best of luck to you and I'll see you here another 6 years down the track
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I definitely don't want you to feel like we are ganging up on you or mocking you, though you do invite it. The intention here is to help you see what you cannot in your approach to your work. That is the whole point of posting stuff in a sketchbook on a forum like this, is it not? 

 i don't do this as an hobby therefor it make me appear rigid to those who have no idea of why and frankly i don't have to much time explaining myself but i guess i care enough about your criticism to give you more information on my situation.

Well thank you for the glory of being given your attention, I should be grateful I suppose.
   
Your understanding of the difference between a hobbyist and a "serious" artist is perplexing and a little bit worrying. Do you think having a rigid mindset is the way to success? It's probably the exact opposite. I have seen lifelong hobbyists who don't care one bit to do this as a career, be more open to learning and feedback than you are. 
Really ask yourself what is going on here? Are you mistaking rigidity and stubbornness which are problematic traits that are usually obstacles to learning, with persistence which is a beneficial trait in the long run? I think it is likely this is the case. What do you think?

Since you asked in what i feel is an actual sincere desire to understand, I will bother one last time to use more of my own precious time in formulating an answer in the hope that you may actually get something of value from it for once.    

Idk what to show people to convince them that i understand the fundamental maybe i am just pretending to understand them My fundamental should still transpire through my work i believe.No?Clearly i am not a beast when it come to perspective not a beast when it come to light and shadow.

 Idk what to show people to convince them that i understand the fundamental i am certainly not perfect in my fundamental i am not trying to convince anyone at all that maybe why i am not showing this kind of stuff in here.

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]You contradict yourself here, but in any event, why do you think you need to convince us you understand fundamentals? [/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]That isn't even the issue.[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]For those of us with more experience and skill than you, it is patently obvious that you clearly and repeatedly have many obvious issues with basic drawing and painting fundamentals, both in what you do post and in the manner and content of how you critique others. That there are some major glaring deficiencies in your skill and understanding is not something debatable. What IS debatable is what work you do behind the scenes. You do seem to be fearful of actually having that put to any actual rigorous test through the kind people here in this forum. [/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]If that's the case...why on earth are you actually on here? What improvement do you hope to get?[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]I hope you are getting critique on your work somewhere else then in any event.[/font]


If you don't know what to show for real: Show people your basic drawing and draftsmanship attempts from observation and from imagination.  Show us your figure studies, Show us your illustrative composition designs and studies. Show us your perspective focused work. Show us your master painting studies. Show us your value studies. Show us your shape language studies. Show us your life drawing. Show us your industrial design marker sketches. Yes also finally you can show us some design processes and work. Show us literally anything that anyone else on this forum shows. My bet is, it won't convince anyone of anything that deviates much from the impression they already have formed from seeing what you do post.

I am not even trying to disagree with you fundamental are important i simply got no love for them in here in particular 

 
You think you are here to get love for your fundamentals, or are you saying you have no love for learning some of these fundamental aspects? 
If the former, who do you think you are; Darktiste, Jesus of Drawing: The Second Coming? 
Are you here to learn with humility or are you here to accept the adoration of the poor dirty masses of other artists who appear to be here for some strange reason, working on their own fundamentals and asking for help by actually posting the hard work and development that they struggle with? Christ on a stick. It is not so complicated. 


Actually people did respond to your fundamental exercises. Go back in your own sketchbook and have a look.You used to do this. 
Here is a hand study you did last year 
http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3...#pid118666
How about now? We have no idea where you are with drawing hands. I hope you know.

How about this. 
http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/attachme...7068/9.jpg
Also last year. Probably your most successful basic perspective sketch showing form with line. People gave you feedback. How about now? I hope you know.

http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3...#pid118964
You posted right underneath it. What happened? Did you do those "feng zhu style" sketches or flag them? I hope you know.

Two years ago
http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/attachme...4660/9.png

Are these radically different from what you are producing now? Sure, you learned to pillow shade a flat shape digitally and use the lasso tool. I would argue those old line drawings were actually better to see first pass design than what you are doing now given efficiency of likely time taken. Are you ok with this? I hope you know.

I am a stubborn person it not a new thing because i actually have a plan of action but people keep suggesting stuff to add to this plan of action that derail the feeling that i am in control of the direction that lead me toward my goal.

Have you  ever considered that perhaps your plan of action is flawed in one or many ways? Have you built in the ability to incorporate new information into your plan of action? If there is a conflict between your plan and other's advice, how do you judge whether it is constructive or not and resolve it? If something is repeated by multiple people many times over and over, do you think they are all deluded, or do you think there may be some consensus view that may have some validity to it that is worth examining seriously? In my observation, you seem to mostly and consistently ignore the more important (and often repeated) advice, rather than resolve or incorporate it.

 I would like to believe any criticism is constructive i don't do this as an hobby therefor it make me appear rigid to those who have no idea of why and frankly i don't have to much time explaining myself  

 
This is the pattern i see with you. You get very relevant feedback, you excuse it away because it somehow does not align with your magical grail of a "plan". So you ignore it and go right back to your overly engineered rigid plan as if it's always the better choice. This type of stubborn hardheadedness is not a benefit to you, or something to be proud of. 
It is most likely holding you back from making better course corrections and improving the efficiency in which you learn and improve. 

Do we have to show you our portfolios and cite our resumes before you give anybody any creedence at all?  I actually did write it all down, and then decided to save the poor other people reading this. He really won't listen unless we are Craig fucking Mullins anyway.

There are still one or maybe two highly skilled artists who for some reason help people on this forum. I don't want to speak for them, but you seem to have such little idea what a fantastic resource they could be for you on understanding those fundamentals. It makes my head spin to see what an opportunity you are discarding because of a rigid adherence to your "plan". 

There is a mindset issue here regardless of your skill or practice habits. 
The fact that you don't like having the "feeling of losing control" is exactly what is preventing you from allowing new information into your carefully curated plan. Now that you are on your "plan" you don't appear to want to change anything.  Do you know what this is called? It's fear. 

In life it's better to work with the reality that you aren't always going to be able to control everything and that even the process of learning is to be in a state of relative uncertainty for much of the time. 
The nice thing about actually coming to terms with your fear is: freedom. It allows you to loosen up and be open to more possibilities than are within your comprehension at any particular time.  That's just life.
Now apply that to art. What makes you think it is any different? 
I'll eat my underpants if you have succeed in controlling everything in exactly the way you predetermined in even one small single aspect of your life.

I have observed many people struggle with mindset related problems when self teaching, and I believe it is as useful to be mindful of the patterns present in your own mindset, if not more so,than the technical side of learning the skills required to make highly skilled art. They go hand in hand really. Right now whatever your claim of skills, your mindset and understanding of any of what we are talking about is clearly the most problematic thing.

Some people more intuitively get things done and have a natural growth mindset that keeps them open to new things and learning. 
Some people need to be reminded....repeatedly. 
Some will never get it.
Which do you see yourself being?

Now let get into your question define what is drawing well? I only got my work to speak for itself when it come to showing what fundamental i am miss and i totally see why people get piss to see 2d render and it reaching a point were

If you wish a good brief synopsis of what drawing actually is...read Tristan's post on approaches to it in DemonLizardman's sketchbook a few posts ago. Probably better than most you will find online because it's formed in experience and considered thought and research.  Have you ever approached drawing observationaly in any of these ways?  

 it almost like i am a fraud or something clearly people want also to see the traditional side of my work because it matter to artist.    

No we don't want to see your traditional drawings because "it matter to artist". You are implying  it is pointless to know what other artists with more experience than you, think of your technical work? It matters because these have a direct relation to what you say you are trying to achieve with your work.  If we can't see them, we cannot provide feedback that you can use. It is just this simple. I can't understand where your gap in understanding is with this concept. Perhaps you can think about it and let us know? You constantly ask others for their references, their study, their layins, their processes. Ever wonder what it's like the other way around if  they didn't? That's my experience with you.

Do you need to be the best observational draftsman or painter in the world to do concept design? No of course not. Do you have to be at least above averagely passable in your skill. YES. Of course YES. Again. YES.  Will being better at drawing help you do a 2d design job? Do I really even need to answer this? 


If you only use a 3d process or use VR or want to only model, or slot in some other niche tech area of the pipeline, sure, that's a very different path. All the nuances of what Gliger mentioned while valid, I feel is just going to confuse you even further.
 
Focus on the simplest most basic things first. Do you want to draw and paint, to depict recognizable objects in lighting situations using 2d tools?  If the answer is yes, how much simpler can it get, than learning to draw and paint objects in all forms of different situations / lighting / perspective as the priority?

You comment on many other's sketchbooks about composition, about values, about edges, about perspective, about accuracy. Do you wonder why you get no comments of the same ilk back. Why? 
Because others are posting much of their studies and final work that aspires to be something, hit some quality and exhibit some or all of these principles. As Tristan mentioned earlier...I am just repeating this, it is easy to critique them. They make it easy. THAT's their goal. They invite the help. You don't seem to want it. You push it away.  It is almost impossible to critique your fundamental abilities because you aren't showing any of your work on them. 

I haven't seen any real anatomy or figure study in two years. Oh that's right, according to your "plan" studying the legs and anatomy of the human figure is pointless because it will be covered by pants or shoes in any "concept work". I truly wondered at that point, if you actually believed the ridiculousness of this idea or if you were now just trolling. I wish you were trolling.
It is like pulling teeth to get you to even take on board any meaningful feedback. At some point people will just begin to ignore you out of frustration at your hardheadedness. Have you perhaps noticed this happening already?

It is very frustrating to watch you operate coming from a perspective of wanting to help. Some might argue it's highly amusing. For me it's both. I'm not even sure why I am back here.
Something in me still wants to help for some unfathomable reason. My instincts are telling me I have wasted my hour typing this up. I am as bored writing it as I'm sure people are bored reading it by now.

If you believe you can be a "concept artist" without drawing or painting or studying the "boring" stuff in your own words, and getting relevant feedback on that side of things, well good luck to you. Don't be surprised if you are here 6 years later with a 500k view sketchbook and more 2d paper cutout flat guns and gloves to show us. 

I'm not sure I have the energy to reply again. I hope something helps. I'm tapping out. Peace