Movies and TV
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Quote:weirdly I never noticed the capitalism thing in rises, I think my brain was asleep by that point
Well, basically the whole movie is about that, on one side you have catwoman and bane and on the other gotham. And then you have batman, who is filthy rich, but uses that resources to "fight crime", but then again, by being rich, he inevitably is part of the problem because there is only fixed amount of "wealth" in the world blah blah blah distribution blah blah corruption blah exploatation etc. Whole agenda is about that disbalance.
So, he started with basically a criticism of all that and then he changed his mind and decided to revert it in a bit weak and bland way - "well, yeah, that's bad but the alternative (bane's idea) is even worse", and at the end of the movie he went full circle and we have a rich couple (minus some relatively insignificant sum, for orphanage and stuff) enjoying their richness and youth somewhere in Florence (was it florence?) and not giving fuck:)

Well, this is extremely compactly put, but you get the gist of things:) So at the end, we have a movie that starts to say something, but not too much, then wants to say something else, but not too much, and then doesn't say anything:) It's like, guys, I wanted to say something, but I don't want anybody to be angry with me, so then I said everything and got a big "wat?":)
I mean, don't get me wrong, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a movie that doesn't "tackle stuff". But this movie does want to do it, but then it doesn't. And that's the problem. He could have either made a pew pew batman with expensive cgi and actors etc. or some other analytic social variant, but he decided on neither and it shows.

I guess you simply haven't thought about it while watching the movie. But, for example, if you were to watch it again, you would see the parable being made in every other sentence:)

Speaking of that, it's something that I recently discovered in Nolan's movies and it started to kinda bother me:) There are no ordinary shots or even more so, ordinary lines or dialogues in his movies. EVERYTHING is epic and important and foreshadowing or some kind of pun or grand statement. It can be a bit tiring when you realize it and start to see it:) You know, you could have a random girl bying milk at a random store and it would be something like "miss, that would be 2.99. hm, the storm is coming" -"yes, who knows what tomorrow brings". and then some zoomed in fade to black:) EVERY TIME IN EVERY CONVERSATION:)

Maybe he needs more "pillow shots" or scenes or whatever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9WEyuMq0Yk (5:00)

But nevertheless, Nolan is for me the most respected blockbuster director and perhaps an epitome of what a good blockbuster director should do. But if I continue to criticize him, I could add that his movies have a lot of "shock value" - in a sense where the awesome directing and acting (and moneyz) simply conceal some stupid stuff. Almost every time I watch his movie I'm like DAYUM THIS IS SO AWESOOOOOMEEEE and if I watch it for the second time, there are a lot of "less pretty truths" that start to sprout when I'm not "blinded by awesomeness":)

For me, Nolan excels in directing, in the purest sense of the word:) In a sense that he can overwhelm you with that skill of his and you'll be immersed and 90% scenes would make an impact on you, even if objectively that shouldn't be the case. If I wanted a scene of me writing this be epic, dark and impactful, I would hire him and he would pull it off somehow:) And it wouldn't be over the top or cheesy (like with bay/emmerich). I don't know how, but somehow he would:)

Well, yeah, Emmerich and Bay are for me, THE most ridiculous parody of hollywood there is:) I don't necessarily put one before the other as they are very close in that regard, at least for me... Maybe a director that's "blockbusterry ridiculous" but not disgusting would be James Cameron - I see him as a shallow master craftsman:) He goes and takes EVERY single cliche there is and makes the movie out of them and that movie turns out to be quite watchable blockbuster and I even care for the characters at the end:) But of course, there is literally no trace of anything worth thinking about in his movies.

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Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 07-15-2013, 10:34 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Patrick Gaumond - 07-16-2013, 10:24 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 07-16-2013, 10:44 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Patrick Gaumond - 07-16-2013, 11:18 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 07-16-2013, 11:31 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 07-18-2013, 11:50 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 07-19-2013, 01:38 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 07-19-2013, 02:50 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 07-19-2013, 08:23 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 07-19-2013, 11:03 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 07-21-2013, 12:02 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 07-21-2013, 01:43 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 07-21-2013, 11:11 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Rognoll - 07-25-2013, 01:38 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 07-25-2013, 02:14 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 07-25-2013, 04:23 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Rognoll - 07-25-2013, 05:33 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 07-25-2013, 08:26 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 08-08-2013, 10:18 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 08-12-2013, 10:23 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 08-12-2013, 12:45 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 08-12-2013, 02:28 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 08-12-2013, 11:16 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 08-13-2013, 12:14 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 08-14-2013, 03:51 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 09-13-2013, 10:48 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Vandall - 09-14-2013, 11:04 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 09-14-2013, 11:53 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 11-01-2013, 09:30 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 11-19-2013, 03:15 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 11-19-2013, 08:54 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Rognoll - 12-17-2013, 11:28 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 12-18-2013, 06:44 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by ApolOllipop - 01-01-2014, 12:40 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 01-10-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by smrr - 01-10-2014, 11:10 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 01-11-2014, 03:01 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 01-11-2014, 03:23 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 01-11-2014, 03:49 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 01-11-2014, 04:29 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 01-11-2014, 05:01 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 01-12-2014, 11:16 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 01-12-2014, 11:27 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 01-16-2014, 10:00 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 01-17-2014, 01:45 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by nelson - 01-18-2014, 09:25 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 02-22-2014, 01:26 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Amit Dutta - 02-26-2014, 06:17 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 02-28-2014, 02:27 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 02-28-2014, 03:30 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 02-28-2014, 03:50 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 02-28-2014, 04:43 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 02-28-2014, 09:01 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Amit Dutta - 02-28-2014, 06:21 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 02-28-2014, 10:09 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Doolio - 03-01-2014, 12:46 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Amit Dutta - 03-01-2014, 07:04 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 03-03-2014, 01:12 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 03-10-2014, 03:04 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 03-13-2014, 09:53 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 03-13-2014, 12:43 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 03-27-2014, 04:56 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 04-27-2014, 11:36 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by EduardoGaray - 05-01-2014, 06:01 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 05-25-2014, 04:46 PM
RE: Movies and TV - by Triggerpigking - 06-25-2014, 07:23 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 08-26-2014, 08:17 AM
RE: Movies and TV - by Psychotime - 09-09-2014, 08:26 AM
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