Fedodika the Koala
6 hours just drawing, or is that with rendering? I could see rendering taking that long.

I suppose it's always worth a shot to try out a study method, but in the end, different things work for different people. Otherwise we'd all have the same workflow. Either way, it's pencil mileage.

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Jeez, I can't imagine spending 6 hours on that kinda drawing. But I'm sure it has its value - and definitely try not to attribute quantity to productivity. It's the time spent and the learning value that counts! These are looking good though - keep it up.

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Tygerson/Eristhe: I think the main deal is appreciating the forms as best as you can; accuracy and being good in general just purely comes down to how you understand and depict form. The more accurate your hand and eye are the better. I mean just imagine how good you'd be if you could copy something one for one and then go on to improve it from there in a small amount of time. 

Im skeptical more and more of like, training a lot from odd/random angles of things; or like what would be a faster more effective practice, since its tougher training from those angles but you get a better feel for perspective. But in a longer copy of like a 3/4 angle i really appreciate the forms more and go on to see problems easier in mine and others work because its a more common angle. 

Here are some eyes today from jeff, lots of fun when you can sharpen the pencils with an xacto knife. He was talking alot about the concept of calligraphy and how the people you study from will influence the very lines you put down. I can only fantasize how far along i'd be had i found this stuff earlier, it's just so much clearer of what needs to be done. Like that RPG experience point thing i'd fantasized about, this is as close as i've seen anyone get to it


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Look at the amount of studies you are doing! All of them are delicious.

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mmmmmmmmmm, delicioso

You're such a hard working man dude.

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Voodoo: Hopefully people will love me one day for my work itself more than my work ethic ;) Thanks though!

So, blastin through some Watts lips, and 2 studies of my mentor Heather Lenefsky dog paintings, idk i just felt like changing it up for a few things. 

I was looking at the art work of soul calibur 6 coming out and it was really inspiring how far their 2d deparment has gone. If you left click on the artwork you can flip through to their earliest game artwork and man, it looks about as good as your average deviantart drawing lol. Not entirely sure if it's the same artist, but the quality definitely improves on each release. Its inspiring because soul calibur 3 is my favorite game of all time and im glad their not giving up the franchise.

I don't plan on playing it or anything, but its just cool and im sure thats the case for many old games. The skills of the artists on it was just lower, and now the standard is super high, both in 3d and 2d

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Sophitia


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I'm in awe of your line quality, these studies are looking amazing! Keep up the hard work!!

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Eristhe: Well gwarsh, Thanks!

Life drawing! You can see how behind my figures are, but at least my lines are more deliberate. still really struggling getting the head on the body, but you know i think it's a matter of doing less specially cuz newsprint isnt the easiest thing to detail on. I feel the raw charcoal ones i do are twice as good simply because im not trying to detail anything. So next time im there i might just see how much i can do with raw charcoal alone and maybe do the face with tone and erase out the form of the features. Plus everything is just bolder and more expressive

Also noses

Need to go easier on the black lines.

Notes from Jeff:

Dont do a super black nostril hole, can look bad, knock the value up higher. Also if there's a little blemish on the paper of the artist you're copying, dont think copying it will teach you anything lol


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Wow, so much dedication and so many studies! I read your plan for the year on the page before and t sounds like a great idea. You're showing so much improvement.
The only thing that I'm thinking based on these latest sketches is that maybe you can go a bit deeper with the values and seperate the planes on what you're studying more. Mostly looking at the eye studies where the shadows share the same value. Though I get that they're meant to observe structure.

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Really nice flow to those figures!

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Bjulvar, thanks my dude glad you think so :) Ya im aware the values get muddled sometimes. Mainly because in jeffs drawings he indicates slight plane changes within shadows so, but im not entirely sure if that's a blemish or an actual plane change. I should probably study from the photo more, so i can see why he's doing these things, then compare later. Thanks for stopping by!

Hornkreis: Preciate it bro, maybe later; I have way too many holes in my drawing skills that need to be fixed before i attempt a personal piece. It'd just waste my time, planning and painting what will be a flawed drawing in the end that like most my work before, wont pique anyones interest in giving me $$ :p Ive wasted way too much of my time doing paintings with terrible foundations and hoping rendering and brushwork will cover up those mistakes but everyone sees right through it. It may very well be many months before i attempt a personal piece, but i will do some memory stuff to stay on top of things here and there. 

Tygerson: thank you my man, I love the one with the nice belly, im sure you can figure out which one that is ;)

So, had a surpisingly lucrative day in town, so not much pencil work. Did manage to get these ears in however, and got my Asaro Memorized head in the mail. It's a lovely piece, and i plan on drawing it tomorrow. Once i exhaust this one i'll get the classic and start drilling into that! 

I think these ears look pretty okay, just the hatching gets sloppy in some areas, mainly because the lines are going in a way that isnt parallel and that looks shit lol. The left one is better because the tone direction is more consistent. The right one has sloppy hatching in the shadow area, and im still scratching my head at how to get it as fine as jeff but it's still enjoyable nonetheless. Jeffs ear vid is like 1:20:00 and thats like twice as long as the other features, so im gonna hit that hard tomorrow and also some asaro copies. Then ill move into finally doing a shaded head with part 2 of head drawing. Should be funzies!


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Thanks for the fabulous critique, you make excellent observations.

With the ears and nose cast studies, it seems like your lines/contours are getting too dark, where a lot of those edges could be more blended in and lost. Also maybe spend more time getting smoother gradations and solid tones, spending a day or more just to render edges and values out near perfectly will help in personal work too. Hope this helps, keep up the great progress!

Here's a quick example of smooth edges:
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Ubem, thanks bro i tried to give these ears a little more lovin today, extra few hours rendering on one and im actually impressed with where i took one of em, in the last image on the right. Im mainly focused on structure right now, but a finger, a napkin, an eraser and a well sharpened pencil can get a lot of cool stuff done :)

Also startin to draw this asaro head and get familiar with its forms. It has some unusual proportions, mainly a short nose, and the ears are minimal, but it is interesting and challening to draw. Trying some ballpoint to change things up, I know the pillar its sitting on that ive indicated is weird, because im still trying to understand it myself lol


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The renderings are awesome! When I turn them upside down, they have a cool abstract sculpture look.

Those asaro heads are coming along great! I bet you're thanking yourself for all the foundation you laid in construction!

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You've been super productive. I'd second what was said earlier up the page, in that if you're not planning to do imaginative pieces, be sure to make sure this knowledge is sinking in with memory pieces. Doing studies will train your technique really well, but you'll get a lot of out applying it without reference, too.

I think my tiny crit on the stuff you've been doing from life/your model head is that you still have some furry lines going on. You might benefit from slowing down a little and improving your stroke efficiency as everything is still looking a little messy.

With your ears, I'd highly recomend doing a third study, which is from life (just sit in front of a mirror), then a 4th which is from imagination.

Keep up the great work!!

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Tyer: Thanks bro :) got a long way to go 

Eristhe: Hey i tried what you reccomended today; Pen really was testing my limits. Its kinda like painting with no opacity, you have to pay close attention to the mark making itself. With th 1710B pencils, I can cheat it a bit with going over light lines and erasing things that art too dark, and if a line is shoddy, i can kinda fill it in on top to make it better. Pen is brutal, its just, you better get it right early on and pay attention even more closely lol. I did some ears from life and they were just so brutal because of pen, may try it tomorrow with pencil and itll probably look a lot better. 

We'll get to memory/imagination soon, i did one ear from imagination but i couldnt light the planes right because i just dont understand the structure well enough, i'll need to draw alot more to get it down better. That goes for anything else, i just dont see the point of drawing from memory something i cant even do right with reference; maybe committing the information i already have could be useful, idk

Im just having a hard time translating to pen, because again, its different headspace, im so used to not drawing with my whole arm in pen, so that'll take some getting used to. Also did this 6ish hour cast study thing from Watts, was fun to work on the Newsprint. Need to do more asaro heads so i stop skewing everything, i still feel it deep within my lines the evil skew. Not gonna push this value wise as im focusing on structure and accuracy at this point, so tomorrow will be some asaro grinding i believe ;)


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Aww I hope you get some good publicity with your art as well. I am just a little mesmerized by how much you post on here and how much you are so dedicated into becoming a concept artist. My bed and I are connected, we are one, so I always admired people who get up to actually do something productive.

I wish I could say something about your work other than    In love In love In love BEAUTIFUL, EXTRAVAGANT, FLAWLESS In love In love In love but I'm just gonna sit here and hope you get noticed.

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Ah, imagination and memory. I've noticed that making even a botched drawing from imagination/memory is helpful, since it let's you spot right away where you are shakiest. You probably know this already.

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Voodoo: Well that's the nice fuckin thing someone has said to me in a while so thank you brother i really appreciate it :,)

Tyger: I thought about this today and, the reason someone would do an imagination thing is to test and find what they dont know. This may sound contradictory, but i know what i'm missing, so im just filling in these huge gaps i've accepted i have by working through reference.

 I know i struggle with feature placement, I know i struggle with structure and not skewing my drawings, so that's what i'll work on till i can get it right with reference, then I'll test from imagination once i know i can do it right with reference. I wanna just cut the crap and have a nice foundation in place before i get back to drawing things from my head. I could end up like Proko's Kangaroo vid, but hey if i can make some nice portraits in the meantime, i wont mind at all (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI).

Perhaps next year after this training i can fuck around again and experiment with style and color, i could see that as realistic. That and doing caricature in public is a nice way to apply these concepts in a timed, heavily stylized situation. 
Even if i were to sketch from imagination, i wouldn't want to limit myself by just doing it 100%, i mean why not have reference or other artists work for inspiration? Seems plain stupid, everything you draw is based on reality, even super imaginative guys like Bobby Chiu, Feng Zhu, still have ref nearby to fuel ideas and save time.

Gotta be Kim Jung Gi tho ;)

So i got my first traditional commission today :) gonna do a bulldog portrait for a woman i met downtown on newsprint. I was skeptical about using this paper, but then i remembered Bradwynn Jones frames and sells his newsprint drawings, so i should be alright. It's weird im more concerned about the medium at this point than the technical part of the drawing lol.

This 3hr bulldog is a practice, not the commission, a study from my mentor Heather Lenefsky. Never thought I'd be drawing dogs, but hey why not, I can enjoy drawing most things at this point :) Also the ears took about 2hrs on the right (photo of cast) and 30 mins for the left ones by jeff


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Lady liked these so much, she wants another one lol so... we'll see how that goes. Also ordering some archival spray for this newsprint because i've heard that not doing that causes issues with the framing and such


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If you get referrals, this could be a little side gig--drawing people's pets! You built great expressions into their faces.

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