Fedodika the Koala
spent like 6 hrs on this today just pushing and pulling proportions/starting over etc. I emotionally feel im not progressing doing stuff like this, but i always see logically big results from doing this, so, probably just do another one tomorrow; I may want to get into gauche painting at some point as i see it requires tiling for the painting, and that'd be a fantastic way to learn color mixing since its very fast and requires precision.


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Ey dude! Is that face in post 1,302 from imagination? Rather good application of the skull and plane studies if that is the case. 
Would be nice to see some sketches as well, "quick" personal stuff in between the thorough studies to relax, reflect and most importantly apply the studies. I know I would personally feel really stressed out about waiting to apply all I learned in a big polished personal piece, without having tried out my newfound knowledge in some sketches in between. 

Different strokes for different folks, surely, but just some thoughts :)

Inspiring dedication man!

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Adz: hey bro, thanks I appreciate the concern, and i certainly know where you're coming from. and yes the last post in the post you mentioned is from imagination, with some reference pulled out near the end to finalize the line weight/tone etc. I drew some puppies today for when i go back downtown i will have something a bit more "marketable" to show people who are interested in my work. 

The reason I'm doing these more rigorous studies is because I've had quite a lot of time to experiment and "relax" or whatever I was doing and now my eye is fully aware of a huge gap i need to close in my observation skills. I feel anxious if im not working on closing that gap, because stuff just looks half assed or wrong because I know it isn't right or as close as it could be. 

Im not sure when I'll close that gap at least enough to not worry about it, but the more I work on this stuff the more I see what i was missing before. 

So today i only got this scratchy study done, as well as some puppy/kitty sketches for when i go back downtown. I have a feeling people would be more interested in drawings of those sorts of things than the monster dudes and wonky illustrations i had brought before. However, its just an experiment, and i do plan on maybe doing a finished piece this month to see where I'm at! fingers crossed


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These are fun... im sooo tirreed tho!!


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BURRRRRRRRRRPPPP


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Woodeewoo these are intense lol


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When I see how much studies some people do I feel lazy and small )) Great sketchbook! Keep up :)

Learning path is not straight but it will eventually get you where you want.

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Anvikli: Thanks my man, just always do moar!! 

Kinda took a break today, had some grass, walked around in the woods listening to Swans, was a great experience, euphoric, frightening, epic, nooothing feels like that haha

Still managed to get this thing in late in the day. I wanted to see if i can remember that skull i had drawn the other day, and i wanna try this thing Rigney reccomended of just really observing a picture and trying to replicate it from memory, then filling in those gaps. You immediately notice the gaps of information when you pull the reference back out, it's quite a good attention trick! 


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Nice updates man, I'd definitely say ditto on what Adzerak said, rather then trying to focus on honing just one set of skills at a time, I think it'd be a better approach to just mix it up frequently, if you need more order then maybe alternate days between imagination, construction and observation drawing.
In my experience over focusing on only one of those can be a bad habit to get into, in my first few years of art it took me ages to get back into imagination drawing because my ideas had dried up and given I had a better eye everything I was doing from imagination looked horribly shit(which made me feel like I should go study more leading to a sorta loop), studying can easily become a sorta safe space atleast in my experience.
Likewise I have a friend who only draws from imagination and while he has awesome ideas, his lack of study means that even after years of drawing the dude doesn't even know the basics of form drawing.

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Trig: Hey broski, thanks for the comment, i tried doing some imaginations stuff today and things were tough for about an hour but i got warmed up a bit. These are a bit rough, but idk when i draw from imagination i just feel my style is weird and unappealing; maybe something worth refining. I mean its a hell of a lot better than it used to be! but you know, there's a look I envision that I'm not getting, nor do i really "know" what to draw. 

So apparently my mentor thinks i've gotten good at skulls and identifying their plane changes, so now it is time for me to dabble in making simple compositions. I've had this idea to redo my Jenny2 painting, maybe as Jenny3. I wanna do something different from a dark background, maybe have like some white flowers around with a lush teal green as the background and emphasizing natural colors. We'll see where it goes, im not gonna rush it


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alrighty, so i started a little piece, but i feel like i should do some more planning as i think i can get a better pose/value arrangement. Its a bad habit of mine of committing too early to a sketch without exploring. I like some things with this but i feel i have the knowledge now to not do things so simply. Or at least get a better pose/setup before committing. So tomorrow i'll try some thumbnails and hopefully get a better thing goin, we'll see!


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Waahh she is so pretty <3 way prettier than all the girls you drew before...BUUUTTT watch out for her left (from our pov) eye it seems to just sit there randomly especially since the other one is so good. And your face sketches from last post look a bit wonky like you didnt apply the structure that you have in your skulls :3

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Hey Fedo, I like how you're going after the Reilly method as well, have you seen this vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmHOvmPJjE

It's tough finding info on this as you say, particularly since Reilly never put this stuff into any books or anything.

Keep pushing dude, I'm liking this structural approach you're taking.

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Hey Fedo, your sketchbook is really awesome! Congratulations dude!
I like the way you are pushing structure through Planes/Value and the Reilly Method too.

It's really hard to find info about Reilly method, like you and Artloader told, but, last year I bought a Nathan Fowkes book called "How to Draw Portraits in Charcoal" and it's really good. The construction chapter of the book it's almost all about Reilly Method. Really worth it to buy, even if don't intend to be a charcoal artist!

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Noodle: Great point! Ya i scribbled those out not even thinking of all the structural stuff i had learned, and didn't even bother using it on one of them. I guess I'll have to lay in a bunch more until it feels natural to just sketch in that way and make charming characters that dont have wonky proportions. And ya that's an interesting observation on the eye, the reference i was using had a similar shape, but i suppose i could have emphasized the 3d form of it better by showing roundness ;) Not gonna use that sketch tho, i can make a better comp, im sure of it!

Loader: yes, I have seen that dudes stuff, and something he said at some point "you find your own rythms" There's so many different grids and stuff to follow, its all really just ways to simplify planes of the face and feature placement. Ive found the best way is just to copy other people using it and develop your own system based on that. Thx btw!



Gueko: That's good to know i'll keep it in mind for that book! I would like to be able to execute nice charcoal drawings, it would be a great income earner if I could just get my stuff accurate enough for presenation; Thanks for the comments btw, very appreciated!


So i got pretty tired today, and i was trying to think of a new composition from the flower girl thing; it's just tough, but im probably gonna fuck around with Daz3d studio tomorrow and find some poses, and then abstract some shapes on top of that as a base to find camera angles etc. Probably gonna be 2-3 tone at first for the thumbnails. I wanna go for a more middle major key and a low minor. I really love dreamlike paintings with low contrast, I just need to figure out how to do em! 

This is the only thing i drew today, not very proud of it, but I am figuring a lot of stuff out upstairs!


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mmkay, so i spent many hours today trying to set up a scene for this flower picking. Im definitely asking my mentor for more advice on how to further progress a thumbnail or how many more i should do, i mean i know the more the better; I just havent done lots of thumbnails in my life to be completely fair, and not on this new 2-3 value system.

 At this point its harder to come up with a cool scene than it is to draw and render it. Im hyper aware of things like overlaps, silhouettes reading, rythms and gesture in the composition, tangents, etc. It's hard to put anything down confidently, so maybe after lots more of these i'll get more comfortable. Im not particularly sold on any of these thumbs, but I definitely think i can design better, so we'll see


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Really good progress... 

I feel like now you're analytically studying stuff which is important. I seem to remember when I first joined I felt you were airing over it a little bit and doing studies for the sake of it. 

Really cool to see you're doing some still lifes and even using z brush to model the skull. I would still like to see more application of this knowledge in imagination stuff. I am going to try to get into a habit of learning something and spending an equal amount of time afterwards applying that. 

Hope this helps

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Mann: Thanks man, ya i mean, i'd say a good 2 years of my efforts were wasted on doing studies for the sake of studies; among my other bad habits; but maybe that stuff was important to go through to know what i need to look for. Thanks for stopping by my dude. Who knows, maybe all of a sudden all of that stuff will be worth it like a sudden bonus experience boost who knows lol

Went to town yesterday as i slowly get back into caricature on the street as at least one source of income. I'm working on learning like how to break down compositions into two values to make something read as a matrix of tone. Cutting out all irrelevant detail is a powerful tool, and I do tend to zoom in way to early. I'm still building this piece and struggling a lot with how to set it up. Unfortunately this requires critical thinking and i cant just draw 1000 of X thing to make my composition pop in my head. Or maybe i could...

Anyways, I am really fooling around with this, and i wished it would just come to me like what the composition is; I have an idea of like, the costume, the action, the hair, the face, the environment, but i cant decide on a pose or a value pattern and that stuff is what makes an image. I have a few more poses set up, and i will get to trying to design the thumbnails for them tomorrow, hopefully if i sleep on it something may come to me


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Post more of your personal work too (like you just mentioned about caricatures and about making a compositional painting)

While looking at your Sketchbook, I see a mountain of studies, but you seemingly rarely aply it anywhere;
To make an example- I currently took a class that teaches about using textures, after It, I almost immediately started trying out applying textures to my client work and personal art, this way, I got a lot more familiar with the technique ;

You make tons of skull drawings, but for what end?
I study fundamentals so that I could later draw really cool-looking monsters and robots;
For what purpose are you doing your studies?

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Ya hirvios i totally get it man; You'll have to forgive me for not posting a lot of application stuff, i was sorting out this composiiton the last three days and was killing me haha; Now i have a sketch im definitely satisfied with and im gonna get down to finding a nice color/value pattern for it tomorrow. Thanks for dropping by dude! Don't worry, I'm not gonna just copy stuff and do studies forever!


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