Bonesworth's Questionable Quality Drafting Book
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Hello, people. I finally mustered the courage my... Let's call them "drawings", right? 

Yes, they are not good.

So, to improve, first and foremost I am developing a study plan. For the moment, my two main source of learning are: 

1- Drawabox
2-Proko

(by the way, do you guys think they are good sources?)

I will try to focus in a subject each week. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to draw, I have a somewhat of a demanding job, therefore I must make the most of my free time.

To enter in more detail, I will allocate my time in developing technique and quality while saving some time to copy artists that I find interesting (or just drawing from imagination).

Here some recent drawings:


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#2
Your lines show you aren't confident in putting them down on the paper. Line quality is one of the foundations in drawing. Check this video out by Scott Robertson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RPa-r8MQgA

Quote:(by the way, do you guys think they are good sources?)

Never did Proko. And I didn't go through drawabox comprehensively. People say they are good. But here's the thing: what works for one person isn't necessarily true for another.

You got to try and explore these things for yourself. On the other hand, you got to be self aware and honest about this too. People sometimes get lost on the exploration part; looking for the perfect tutorial, video, story, readings on how to get good and never actually putting in the effort to apply these things. Or worse, losing their focus on why they started this art thing in the first place and get lost in the technical aspect of things.

Quote:Unfortunately, I don't have much time to draw

Sadly, there is never enough time in general.

Good luck. The initial push is always the hardest. Hope you find what you're looking for.

It's debatable whether or not what you're trying to achieve is indeed impossible. One thing's for sure: it's impossible to defeat a person who doesn't know how to quit.
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#3
So so far you didn't put enought effort in the line exercise you need to do way more than that to actually start to feel comfortable just putting line on a paper so many people under estimate how to put a line on the paper thinking it is simple but there bit more to it than you would expect.It just common sense but people think it just like writing and that not really true because to do line you need to have a consent segment and it actually hard to do long line because of pressure and speed of the hand once you draw enough you start to actually learn to be aware of those facto.It either to fast or to slow in your case it either to slow or to much pressure on the pen.

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@John and @Darktiste, thank you both for taking your time to analyse those images. Both of you are right, I do need to train my line quality.

Quote:Your lines show you aren't confident in putting them down on the paper. Line quality is one of the foundations in drawing. Check this video out by Scott Robertson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RPa-r8MQgA

The firsts lessons of Drawabox is exactly this exercise and I did find a video of Peter Han in YT demonstrating this exactly exercise for his class (as his first lesson). I am more than enough convinced of its importance.

The fun part is that I did this exercise 2 years ago and wrongly believed that "Well, I am past that!". 

Wrong. I will be adding those exercises as a warm-up in all my practices. After doing some pages of it (including "ghosting") even my circles came out better. 

I am not saying that they are great, but noticeable better.

Quote:Sadly, there is never enough time in general.
Quote:Good luck. The initial push is always the hardest. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Thank you! Kind of a bittersweet, but true.

I did, today, some studies using Loomis "Fun with a Pencil".


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Congrats on your first post :)

This forum isnt too active but i am always on so i can offer help.

I think proko and drawabox are fantastic resources, obviously proko being superior imo, but both are probably the strongest place to start for a beginner, or someone like me who's a clumsy fool and tried to skip a lot of the stuff you are now doing. 

If you have a limited time, id suggest, learning something each day that you can verbalize, like write down in an intelligent way. it could be, pointing out a mistake you made, or learning an anatomy part, But yea, id reccomend if you have the money to get proko's courses and just do them and the assignments, multiple times if needed. Probably starting with the portrait drawing, then figure, then anatomy, and hold off on the others until youre pretty beast at those. 

But again to peg on the limited time thing, ask yourself, "What did I learn from this drawing?" and it should get you on the right track. Yes mileage is clearly required, but thinking about where youre going wrong and fixing those things, will get you good fast. If youre smart about how you learn, it could mean the difference of years, even decades of how quickly you arrive at a desired skill level. 

I think drawabox has like a 100 box challenge or something, so thatd be a good way to get some mileage in, and yes, the better you draw boxes, it will fine tune your eye to plane changes and stuff so it will be worth it to do and do correctly. If you want an idea of how not to study smart, look at the first 60 or so pages of my sketchbook to get an idea lol

70+Page Koala Sketchbook: http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3465.html SB

Paintover thread, submit for crits! http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-7879.html
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Hello, Fedodika! Thanks for the feedback. Your tips are on point: I am planning to dedicate 1 hour for drawing daily, so, like you said, it must be focused (and daily. If I don't have too much time I must be at least consistent).

I will try to do exactly as you said. Trying to learn something each day and analyse it.

By the way, you mentioned Proko's course. Let me ask 2 questions about them:

1) I'm not very interested in doing photorealism... I really like more of a character design/comic art stuff. However I do understand the importance of knowing to draw your surrounds. Taking this in consideration, could I skip portrait drawing and go directly to figure and then anatomy?

2) Besides Proko, do you know other good paid sources? I did one course in Udemy about anatomy and while serviceable, I think it could had gone better.

(And come on! Your Sketchbook is great! I know my opinion isn't that important (being pratically a baby in drawing), but I like it.)



By the way, I just remembered that I do have to set some goals, people!
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well, ill put it this way, you need to ditch the idea that 1, learning realism is exclusively about learning photorealistic rednering, and 2 that your tastes will be consistent with who you are now and who you will become after a few years of training.

Proko teaches very little about shading, and mostly about line drawing and proper construction. He even discourages people on the program to shade the drawings.

Fundamentals, being perspective, anatomy, form, line weight, value, are what proko will teach you, and it maybe hard to track but any character design or comic artist who shows a high level of skill, will be well versed in the classical approach to drawing the figure and portrait. Kusha Krenz would be an example; He has a stylized approach, but can still draw portraits very well in a realist style.

The fundamentals of portraiture and figure drawing let you very easily dissect and adapt to any drawing style lightning fast because you can see what people are pushing and pulling to get that style. So ultimately, it would be a very bad move to skip studying portraiture on a realist level, the quicker you can get that skill the faster you can draw kickass faces in any style because youll know the function of each feature.

as far as other paid sources, i really adore watts online and New Masters Academy. again, they are teaching realism, but youll need to learn that stuff to push yourself deeper into art. Schoolism, is good too, if you want a good character design course, maybe check Stephen Silvers course on there.

The reason i said look at my sketchbook for how not to learn is so you can see someone, trying to skip important things like proper construction and drawing weird wonky things and trying to pass it off as style. Overall i like your attitude and wish you the best my dude, stap in

70+Page Koala Sketchbook: http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3465.html SB

Paintover thread, submit for crits! http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-7879.html
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@Fedodika, no shortcuts there, I assume. I will have to face the beast of portrait drawing. I found it boring, but a man got to do what he got to do.

Concerning Proko, thanks for your input. I will give some context first: I am changing my career now. I am civil engineer and soon I am going to work in IT (thank God!). Therefore, my salary will be smaller than it was (in Brazil, things are pretty bad economically) but depending how things go, I might be able to take a drawing course next to my home in an atelier. There is a better one not very far from where I live too and I believe it is not impossible to arrive there.

If, by some circumstance, those options becomes unavailable, I will take quality onlines courses such as Proko or Watts. Hell, if I don't like how the drawing classes are going I will scrap them completely and go full online. I do have Loomis and Scott Robertson's books in my PC but I sense I could really use some good professional guidance. But I will have to schedule this decision to middle January.

(I won't go in detail here, but I don't want to waste more time: I threw out 10 years -and some great people- of my life because of... Some really bad habits.)
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Hello, people! How are you guys doing?

I've been trying to practice everyday and following Drawabox's lessions and Loomis' "Fun with a Pencil". But, before I start, I am doing line "warm-up" exercises. 

I am pretty happy with the results so far. I do feel my lines are getting cleaner/more confident. I will post this week highlights. 

Oh, by the way, I took time to copy Mia Goodwin's character from the comic book "Tomboy".

And, in a series of good news, I will probably start attending a drawing course in February!!!!


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#10
your lines look good but idk if its the camera or your pressure but they are very light

70+Page Koala Sketchbook: http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3465.html SB

Paintover thread, submit for crits! http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-7879.html
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Draw on a hard surface or with something hard under the sketchpad also don't draw with mechanical pencil it not gonna teach you how to control your line.I advice drawing with a pen to start it help increase control over the line

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