Peter's Sketchbook
Last week was The Classical Atelier Drawing which ran from Monday to Friday. Thought it might of been drawing a cast from life but it was doing a Bargue drawing from start to finish.

They talked about what I wold be doing which was the bargue drawing and discussed why they do it etc they work sight sized for this so again they detailed why they use that approach and then showed me how they do these drawings.

They start on basic printer paper which is taped down to a board next to the first "basic" plate which they then divide horizontally and vertically which are the x/y axis (which is replicated on the printer paper).  To actually do the drawing they pick a point they are trying to plot and on the plate they find the width and the height on the x/y axis using a stick of sorts (barberque skewer/knitting kneadle) and youyr finger nail to measure the distance which you then transfer to the printer paper and plot with an x so it's basically a bigger version of connect the dots (hopefully that makes some sense).




Once you have the plate copied you would check it for mistakes such as flipping the board upside down, doing an "animation test", looking at negative shapes etc basically just self correcting judging by your eye.

Once your drawing was an exact copy of the plate you'd then switch out the "basic" plate for the "finished" plate and redo the first step (due to time constraints I focused on the face) and check for any mistakes using the methods just listed. You would also map out the shadow shapes (ignoring halftone) and fill in using a middle value.




Next you would transfer the drawing to nicer paper (in this case stonehenge paper), fill in the shadow shapes with a middle value again and start on the rendering.







All of this was done using 3 pencils:

.2H
.HB
.2B

2B was used for the majority of the drawing and for rendering your shadows (using a HB for cleaning up) and a HB was used for rendering your halaftones/lights (using a 2H for cleaning up). Pencils are sharpened to a needle point and you would hold the pencil at the very bottom and use your wrist for the majority of your strokes.




Can go into more detail if needed but tried to keep it as short as possible (for me atleast).

Overall I would say it was worth it. It was nice being able to spend wholedays working on art and just being in a school enviroment. The instructors were really friendly, they would explain things I had trouble with and were more than happy for me to bug them with questions about art in general or just have a talk about art, even said to message them if I had any questions in the future.

For the courses themselves I'd say the 2 day colour mixing wasn't really worth it. They do a 7 day old master painting course and what I did seemed to be day 1 of that course so I'd say just do that course instead as they go over painting techniques and materials etc. I'd say the Classical drawing was worth it as it showed me the proper way of working through the bargue plates although they did say that students normally spend about 6-8 months working on 3 bargue drawings which seems like overkill to me.

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Very cool, your bargue drawing looks really good! I don't suppose you can say much about it from only a few weeks, but do you think this kind of training is something that would really work for you if you pursued it further?

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(08-23-2019, 10:36 AM)JosephCow Wrote: Very cool, your bargue drawing looks really good! I don't suppose you can say much about it from only a few weeks, but do you think this kind of training is something that would really work for you if you pursued it further?

Thanks Joe! Hmmm hard to say really. On one hand they had some really great paintings from past students on show (I'll see if I took any pics) and the instructors were really hands on and seemed to know what they were doing, plus they have good connections to the art world but on the other they seem to spend weeks just working on one drawing or painting. For example for the full week I was there they started a figure drawing on Monday and by the time I left on Friday they were still blocking the basic construction in.

for me personally that just seems like too much time, again with the bargue plates they said students spend between 6-8 months working on 3 drawings. I think it works if your aim is to be a fine artist and you can afford to spend weeks or months on 1 painting but since my aim is illustration you wouldn't really have that time. Think it mainly comes down to your end goal.

I definitely want to continue taking workshops with them (particulary painting courses) but packing up and studying there full time(out of the question anyway since I can't afford to haha), I'm not really sure.

Maybe ask me again once I've takne more workshops from them, hopefully I can have a definitive answer by then.

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Some studies form the past few days.

Still focusing on figure drawing and anatomy so I started the fundamental quicksketch course from Watts with Brian Knox, here are some studies from the first lesson from his drawings.




Tried applying his approach to some figure invention but still have a hard time with depicting the pose I have in my head and getting it down on paper, I was thinking of trying a different approach.






Some arm anatomy. Tried working through Bridgeman's book and I feel like I understand the first few steps he talks about but I foind trying to render one of his drawings really hard. I was constantly fighting with what exactly he was trying to depict as I didn't know what muscle it was so maybe I need to learn all the muscles first and then come back to him? I'm thinking of waitng maybe until Watts Online bring out the Brdigeman anatomy course later this year.




Some studies of Erik's arm anatomy.



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for the bridgeman arm you rendered you need to cross check that with references or photos of arms in that pose. eriks anatomy intensives has that pose in the references i believe. Its interesting seeing your attempt at that i can see how youre thinking without a reference. it ends up blobby and not showing the plane changes and attractive contours in the forearm. Your proportions are also wrong as you got the length of the bicep in the very last post but in both that and your bridgeman thing, your forearms are waaay too short

youre doing the tubey legs but like in the second post on the figure lowest on the page the gesture youre going for makes the proportions look whacky, way too long of legs. jeff does a thing in quick sketch where he hits a small circle on the side bone of the knee cap. A quick and nice indication of the patella could do you a lot of good on these sketches

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(08-27-2019, 05:34 AM)Fedodika Wrote: for the bridgeman arm you rendered you need to cross check that with references or photos of arms in that pose. eriks anatomy intensives has that pose in the references i believe. Its interesting seeing your attempt at that i can see how youre thinking without a reference. it ends up blobby and not showing the plane changes and attractive contours in the forearm. Your proportions are also wrong as you got the length of the bicep in the very last post but in both that and your bridgeman thing, your forearms are waaay too short

youre doing the tubey legs but like in the second post on the figure lowest on the page the gesture youre going for makes the proportions look whacky, way too long of legs. jeff does a thing in quick sketch where he hits a small circle on the side bone of the knee cap. A quick and nice indication of the patella could do you a lot of good on these sketches

Thanks for the feedback :) See that's where I got confused on studying Bridgeman. I watched the Proko video detailing how to study his notes so I thought you were meant to just take his drawing, flesh it out with anatomy knowledge (but keeping the bigger forms in mind like he does) and then try and render it without using photo ref. That's why I'm just thinking of holding back on Bridgeman until my anatomy knowledge improves.

I'll have to check Jeff's notes again, it's been awhile since I've studied his QS, main reason I wanted to go through Brian's foundation course was to work on simplification and then layer those drawings with Jeff's knowledge if that makes sense?

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Portrait from last night. Felt rather rusty with it as it's been a few weeks since I last drew a portrait due to being in Edinburgh. Thought I'd try and slow down and think more about the line I'm about to place and focus on accuracy as I do feel like I rush abit when drawing from life just to get something down. Also tried to focus more on breaking down my lines into CSI. Still having issues with the basic construction of the head and the eyes.




Warm up for tonight I tried drawing the upper arm muscles from memory to see what I retained from the other day and self corrected on top. Definitely hacing some width issues as I'm drawing the muscles way to wide and as you can see I got some of my origins and insertions wrong.

Memory



Corrections



Worked my way down to the forearm muscles, again used Erik's notes to draw from but also referred to Proko's anatomy course and the Goldfinger anatomy book to help with the origin of some of the muscles as it wasn't 100% clear in Erik's notes (atleast for me anyway).



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Took a painting workshop with a guy who studied at one of the ateliers in Italy (think it was the Florence one, he said it was the American school). It was an Alla Prima workshop but over the weekend.

I was an idiot and on the first day I took my photos from far away rather than up close (which I corrected on Sunday).


Steps














Finish




It was good to get some practice in with painting since I mostly work on my drawing skills. Not sure if I'd go back or not just because we were going through each step so quickly I didn't really have time to reflect on each stage and there wasn't loads of one-one just because some people required more assistence than others due to the different skill levels. I might change my mind though since it was fairly local to m.

Have some life drawing from last week which I'll post in the next day or 2, just abit busy atm.

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Some figure work from my life class last week. Definitely felt rusty since it's been awhile since I've done any figure work. Really struggled with the quick sketch, I keep going thorugh periods of doing atleast 3 hours QS a week which I maintain for a month or so and then fall out of it. Maybe I just need to push myself more and force myself to keep a slot each week for it.

3/10 min Quick Sketch




40 min pose





Portrait from class last night. Don't think I quite got her likeness and had a hard time with her right eye, it definitely feels off. Gonna do a trace over of the basic construction and see if I can correct it.

1h30m Portrait




Currently working more hours at work and will be going away a week friday for a week so I won;t be able to get as much work done as usual so posts will probably be abit sporadic.

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Quick Update. Been busy the past few days packing and getting things sorted for my holiday on friday so haven't really had the time to do much art. Apologies for the photo quality, don't know why they are so dark, only thing I've done is use a different lens so I'm gonna assume that's the issue.

Life Class

Work from my figure class last week.

3/10 minute gestures




40 minute figure drawing




Portrait Class

1h30min



Portrait from tonight. Think I was abit heavy handed with my lay-in, I was trying to get the nice variation in line weight that Brian achieves. Feell ike I sorta of got her likeness but my design sense is horrible.

This will probably be my last update for the next 2 weeks. I'm going away on holiday on friday for 8 days. Been toying with the idea of taking a sketchbook but I don't see when I'd have the time to get anything done since my schedule is so packed. Once I'm back i'm going to dive back into my usual routine. Want to continue with anatomy, dive into some painting and get back into master studies to work on my shape design as I feel that is the biggest thing holding me back right now.

See you al in 2 weeks!

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